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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
I am pretty sure that is all wide 5 stuff I think its origins are from something like a 40's Ford. Some dirt cars still use that stuff only it's a lot lighter now.
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10/10/2007, 8:41 pm
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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
A lot of stuff used today gets it ancestrial roots from early Fords.
That front hub comes from a Ford (probably)truck rear axle with the spindle adapted to the front.
Mike, you know, the wider the tire the more stick. If you were to look at the left front, it is still small. An easy way to get camber in a straight front axle.
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10/11/2007, 7:19 am
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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
Very interesting replies fellas, thanks.
You know, I actually bought some 30 year old new old stock M&H Racemaster oval track slicks from an old speed shop in NJ about 15 years ago. They were hard as a rock but not dry rotted a bit. I used them on my dragster to smoke them the entire 1/4 mile. I later sold about three extra pairs of them. They were the 10.00 x 15 "thumbprint" style slicks like this:
The interesting thing about mine were that they were intended for circle track use, and they had a tapered tread surface. In other words they were taller on one side than the other, and always wanted to turn. I almost wish I'd have kept them now, although they'd be about 45 years old today!
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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
An interesting tidbit on dirt race tires is they used to allow drag slicks on the dirt tracks for a while (wrinkle wall tires) then outlawed them. The racers would groove them for bite on the dirt they liked to use them because they could use a much higher gear in the rear end the tires would grow so much taller just like the rail dragsters or Funny cars tires grow. As the car got to the end of the straights they had an almost automatic increase in gear ratios. I remember watching CD Covil at Albany Saratoga Speedway and it would look like the car raised up 10 inches from the rear tires expanding it was neat.
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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
Mike...Talking of your old Drag racing tires with one side of the tire having a larger circumference... There is still a company building racing tires like that,they are retreads!! the name of the company is called "TOWEL CITY RETREADS". you could probably google that and find their website.
they call it "Built in Camber". i called them when Hoosier stopped building the size that we used on our mini-stock but they didn't have any casings in the size I needed.
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10/11/2007, 9:58 pm
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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
Dave great story about the drag slicks. I wouldn't have thought the thin sidewalls would have cornered very well.
Nice find Claude. Towel City's got the real deal stuff! Take a look at these!
  
  
A vintage stock car owner would not have to worry about finding the "right" tires for his restoration. Very cool.
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I was curious as to what these tires might cost, so I inquired and this is the reply I got from Towel City:
"I've got the 10.00 X 15's in a DOT bias ply in the pie crust. The tire will be 9" wide. The cost for this tire is $160 per tire. These tires don't have built in camber in them. Thanks"
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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
Claude sent me a link from the RaceNewYork forums about new opportunities in vintage stock car racing next season. Here's the jist of it:
The Midstate Vintage Stock Car Club will run a new full-fendered class for 2008. Are you tired of racing at the same old track week after week? Tired of the rat race? Are you on the sidelines becuase racing got too expensive? Tired of lack of tech? Politics driving you nuts? Is your old stocker sitting out back behind the barn because you got fed up? No place to sell yout tired old stocker? Would you have more fun if you could pick and choose when you race? Weekly racing too much? With an old body, your stocker could be running at tracks all over the state and you could be having fun again instead of going broke and getting your car wrecked every week. Check these rules out. They might be for you. Contact me if you have questions. rohr239@rochester.rr.com
Competition Rules
General
1. Car must appear vintage and be approved by Competition Directors for competition.
2. Cars will be split up by the Competition Directors in conjunction with the club members into one of three competition classes at each event:
· Hobby – slower cars
· Sportsman – average cars
· Modified – fastest cars
3. Competition Directors shall instruct car owners to add weight and/or handicap any car, at any time, in any reasonable way as needed to ensure close competition.
Bodies
1. Open wheel – any steel, American made, passenger car body, pre-1975
2. Full fendered – any steel, American made, passenger car body, pre-1970
Chassis and Suspension
1. Open Wheel - any chassis 10 years or older. Any suspension.
2. Full fendered – any full factory framed chassis 10 years or older. Any suspension.
Engine Type & Limitations
Four cylinder
None
Flathead V-8
None
Straight 6 or Straight 8
None
V-6
One stock Holley 4412 500 CFM carburetor with MVSCC restrictor plate
Smallblock V-8
One stock Holley 4412 500 CFM carburetor with MVSCC restrictor plate. Cast iron cylinder heads only.
Other Rules
1. Cars must be self-starting
2. Transmissions must have forward, neutral, and reverse gears
3. No live axle rear ends
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These great early photos are courtesy of Josh Teresco. I asked him if this was his father's stck car and here was his reply.
It was really more Gramp's car but dad was drafted to work on it day and night. Old man Teresco had a couple Esso stations in Amsterdam till he keeled over in 69. He and some bookie named Mancini raced a few old Chebbies that they pulled around with a Supercharged Stude pickup. Dad remembers a few different people drove this one over the course of about 6 years, Johnny Miller, Billy Wimble and Jack Farquar was all he came up with for names. These photos are probably a little older than '67 but not much, thats just when they were developed. My Grandfather is in a couple photos breaking it down. In that sense, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, parting out cars is like a second job for me. I think thats Jack Farquar with the checker at Victoria, early sixties.
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Re: Historic racing in the Capital District
I got over to my friend Ken Gypson's garage the other night and took these pics of his historic stock car. This car ran locally at Pine Bowl and Victoria Speedways. Ken salvaged it from Wait's junkyard [across the street from the old Pine Bowl Speedway] in the 80's. It's a 37 Ford Tudor flat back. It was driven by Gordie Film and owned by Al Visconti.
Original flat head "racing" engine is from a '53 Merc.
The "fuel cell" is an old beer keg! There was also a metal hook screwed into the bottom of the dashboard which allowed the driver to "hook" the shifter [into 2nd gear], to avoid a pop out during racing.
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Ken's even got pics of it from "back in the day!
This young fellow was a fan that posed with the car that day.
Even one in color! Ken said that they typically raced these cars with the hood slightly raised as shown. Does anyone know why?
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