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Date Registered: 09-2005
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Yeah I agree.. hadn't thought of the sitting in car for longer scenario. ACC would be better option than the reset I think.

Another note if you are going to just use a bridge wire on the relay;

The circuit breaker in the circuit is rated for 40A. Ideally, you should use a wire rated for 40A. If for whatever reason, the window motors shorted or burnt out there is no protection for that little wire. You don't want it catching fire... I'd also be wary of how much current is drawn by each motor... i.e. if 4 windows are going up at once, will your wire handle the load?

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Date Registered: 10-2006
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The circuit is finished and tested.
typical time delays are 1 min for 1000uF, 2.5 mins for 4700uF and expected 5 mins for 10,000uF.

I'm going to put it into a box, add an LED to show when the relay is energised and find the best place to hook the sensing input to the ACC circuit.
Then I'll post a DIY with pics.

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Kev,

Sounds great. Looking forward to your report on it's workings and DIY install.

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OK people ... It is done, it is in and it is working emoticon

I have also made the connections so that they do not require any wire cutting or splicing at all ... just plug between the Power Window Relay socket and relay so it can be removed anytime and is also Series 1 and Series 2 compatible.

Features...
- Allows closing of windows + sunroof after turning ignition off.
- Relay drops out about 2 mins after ignition turned off (only takes 25 secs to close all 4 windows + sunroof).
- LED shows when power is available to relay for window operation.
- 'Plug & Play' construction by use of spade connectors allows for easy installation & removal.

Parts required...
- 4700uF 16V Electrolytic Capacitor (not low-leakage type as it is too big to fit in the suggested case) (EDIT 3/Dec)
- 12k Resistor
- 2N2222A npn Transistor
- 1N4004 Diodes (qty 2)
- LED 3mm Green 30mA (or any colour you like)
- 430 Ohm Resistor
- 65mm x 38mm x 27mm ABS Case (Jaycar HB6065)
- Vero Board to suit circuit layout (76mm x 95mm cut to size)
- 6.4mm Male Spade Connectors (qty 2)
- 6.4mm Female Insulated Spade Connectors (qty 2)
- 4.5mm Male Spade Connectors (qty 2)
- 4.5mm Female Spade Connectors (qty 2)
- PCB mount Dual Screw Terminal (Jaycar HM3172)
- PCB mount Triple Screw Terminal (Jaycar HM3132)
Total cost $23 (1/2 of cost is connectors and screw terminals for easy installation)

Circuit Diagram ...
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Parts Layout on Veroboard ...
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Assembly ...
- place components on Veroboard and solder in place as shown in above layout photo.
- drill 3.5mm (EDIT 3/Dec) hole in case where LED will poke through.
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Circuitboard should sit in case as shown.
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- unplug the Power Window Relay from its socket (blue in colour, located bottom left of fuse panel on driver's side).
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- cut two 150mm lengths of high current (25A) wire and terminate one end of each with a 6.4mm Male spade connector.
- terminate the other end of one of these wires with a 6.4mm Felmale Insulated spade connector.
- cut a 120mm length of low current (5A) wire and terminate this and the other high current wire together into a 6.4mm Felmale Insulated spade connector and mark '+' on each end of the high current wire.
- screw the free end of the low current wire into the middle screw connector of the circuitboard.
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- cut two 120mm lengths of low current wire and terminate one end of each with a 4.5mm Female spade connector. Screw one into left screw terminal of the circuitboard and mark '-'. Screw the second into the second right screw terminal of the circuitboard and mark '+'.
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- cut two 300mm lengths of low current wire and terminate one end of each with a 4.5mm Male spade connector. Screw one into right screw terminal of the circuitboard and mark '+'. Screw the second into the second left screw terminal of the circuitboard and mark '-'.
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- place circuitboard into case making sure LED sits through hole, lay low current wires from circuitboard through cutouts in case edge.
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- clip on case cover.
- plug 6.4mm insulated female connector marked '+' onto pin 3 of relay.
- plug other 6.4mm insulated female connector onto pin 5 of relay.
- plug 4.5mm female connector marked '+' onto pin 1 of relay.
- plug 4.5mm female connector marked '-' onto pin 2 of relay.
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- cable-tie relay onto case to finish the assembly.
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Installation ...
- plug the 6.4mm male spade connector marked '+' into relay socket pin 3 on far left.
- plug the other 6.4mm male spade connector into relay socket pin 5 in centre.
- plug the 4.5mm male spade connector marked '+' into relay socket pin 1 on lower right.
- plug the 4.5mm male spade connector marked '-' into relay socket pin 2 on upper right.
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- place relay/timer assembly into empty space to right of fuse holder access panel.
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Operation ...
- turn ignition key to 'ON'. LED should illuminate and windows will operate.
- turn ignition key to 'ACC' or 'OFF' or remove completely. LED will remain on and windows should operate for atleast 2 mins.
- wait for 3 mins. LED should be off or dim and windows should not operate.

Future Enhancement ...
- I would like to find an easy and non-invasive way to pickup the 'ACC' power so that the windows are operable while sitting in the car for extended periods and then have the 2 min delay when the key is removed from the ignition.

Credits ...
- Jalal for the OFF-timer circuit.
- Naff for the initial diagram of how it would fit into the exy wiring.

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Hey Kev, fantasic job and write up on this mod.

What are the chances of you possibly making a few units for forum members who can just fit it themselves or take it to a sparky and get it fitted????? (I'm a useless solderer) emoticon

One question begs to be answered as well, if by doing this mod, what are the ramification on warranty should the window and any of it's components fail?

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Cool! Now I don't have to do the write up :P

Mine looks a bit different but end product is obviously the same.

Well done Kev!

Jamie... I suspect some arrangement could be made to make some units up for those less electronically minded. Whether I, Kev or anyone else does it... something can be sorted out.

I'm installing mine tonight (got my spade lugs today) so will check all is ok with mine and if it is I'll post here...

As for warranty, absolutely no problems here. Because spade lugs are used, reverting back to the original setup is a matter of unplugging the leads and sticking the relay back in its socket. Then there wouldn't be a question as to whether it has been tampered with. emoticon

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That being the case, I'd happily put in an order for one of these should and when they become available.

Sounds like an easy, excellent mod to me! emoticon

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Well done Kev, one awesome mod indeed and now gives me something to do during my LOOOOONG holidays LOL emoticon

I will be converting this thread to a DIY Guide shortly and as soon as Nath posts his info. up.

Thanks a lot for your efforts.

P.S. Once again the Aussie X-Trail Forum has taken the lead from the rest of the world and came-up with something unique and easy to follow. THIS is exactly what makes our forum such a wonderful place to be part of!

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Thanks Guys,

It's nice to put some of my hobby experience to good use again and it was fun.
The wife has never seen me 'tinker' with cars before even though she knows I have.

Jamie...
I will be in Kedron over Christmas / New Year visiting the in-laws.
Would you like me to put a unit together for you and bring it up ?

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Mate, what a legend! emoticon I would absolutely love that!

If you want money up front, PM me some details and I can bank transfer or send money order.

I will be going for a drive up to Bribie one day between 2-5th January, if you are still up here and want to come for a drive we can meet up if you like?

Thanks again. emoticon

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