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Re: Recovery / Snatching
Hi,
I agree
Regards
Shane
2007 Xtrail ST
Last edited by Budgie8, 16/Feb/2009, 7:44 pm
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4/Jan/2009, 1:02 pm
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Re: Recovery / Snatching
I think i've mentioned this somewhere before but the instructor on the 4wd course I did last year noted that the 8000kg snatch strap was not appropriate for a vehicle of the xtrail's size. It won't stretch as the car isn't heavy enough, rather it will act more like a tow rope and just pull the vehicle which may cause damage.
He recommended a 6000kg strap stretch and snatch out correctly. I can't vouch for either but I see then reasoning.
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4/Jan/2009, 3:03 pm
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Re: Recovery / Snatching
Interesting point and I see the logic in it also.
But how does this apply if you are snatching out someone else such as a larger 4WD ?
Would you also have to use your lower-rated snatch strap for the Xtrail or their higher-rated snatch strap for the heavier load and could the Xtrail take it ?
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Kev X450(c)
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5/Jan/2009, 8:48 am
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Re: Recovery / Snatching
good point - I guess the answer is that you carry recovery gear suitable for your car. If you are pulling out someone elses car you would use their gear (hopefully suitable for their car)
Understandibly though, only they know the condition of their recovery gear, and I guess there is there is an element of risk using their gear and not knowing if it is in good condition.
I find in most situations that snatching is normally a last resort, on sand at least. Lowering tyre preasures, sand trax type equipment or a few guys pushing is normally all you need to get going again. The bigest thing is if you get stuck try to get going again, but stop immediately if you are bogging down further. I've even used some dead tree branches to give me some traction in the bush.
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5/Jan/2009, 10:09 am
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Re: Recovery / Snatching
On snatching ... recent trip on Fraser Island enabled me to attempt a snatch removal. Hitched up to the back of the Exy near the tow bar reinforcement spots, used an 8000kg cord to hook up to the front of a Pajero towing an off-road camper in very boggy sand. Overall weight attempted to snatch out would've been around 3.5t. First attempt whammo like hitting a brick wall. Second attempt took it easier with steady power and eventually no springy snatch but instead another brick wall which eventually bogged me down. Easy enough to push the Exy out with one person however.  It appears maybe if I used a smaller snatch strap say around 4-5t maybe I could've got some spring out of the cord, but I doubt any joy with pulling out the Pajero. I think the golden rule with snatching is big heavy vehicles can snatch anything out whereas vehicles attempting to pull out heavier vehicles it becomes quite difficult. I'd recommend only carrying a 5-6t snatch kit in the Exy to be used to pull YOU out if required. You could attempt to use it on heavier vehicles but there is a greater chance it'll snap or cause damage to your car. I'd look for equal or less than in weight vehicles to attempt snatches with.
Snatch kit should be around $200.00 ish from any reputable 4WD store, should come with Cord, shackles x 2, gloves, carrying bag (to be used as a cord protector if need be). Our Exy is GVM 2t but most of the time around 1750kgs is a safe guestimate. Snatch cord should be approx 3 times its weight capacity required to snatch out. As mentioned earlier a high rating snatch cord won't stretch with the weight of our Exies. It will stretch with lower rating and hence provide that cool "snatch" effect.
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AkaZulu
2003 Ti-L T30, Polar White
Bling: Chrome factory Nudgebar, Spotties, Sunroof, Bonnet Protector, Towbar, X-Trail Brake Decal, HiTech Full Exhaust System, K&N Air filter, DVD/MP3/GPS/Bluetooth/TV/USB/iPod/Touchscreen TFT
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6/Oct/2009, 3:25 pm
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Re: Recovery / Snatching
Also remember that for our Xtrails, an Equaliser strap of about 3-4m is required to minimise damage to the front recovery points.
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Kev X450(c)
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6/Oct/2009, 11:11 pm
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Re: Recovery / Snatching
I use full 4WD's for work and due to that I have had a couple of courses on the correct use of recovery gear.
Even the farmboys we have at work; also agree that the OL course we did was probably the best they've seen or done.
The 'not a major name brand' course that a few of us got put through to evaluate the course for the company. We failed the course of being anything useful. The operator/trainer also stated several incorrect and harmful ways of doing a certian thing; pertaining to hitching a trailer to a vehicle.
I really reccomend that people 'the driver especially' attends or has attended a major 4WD name brands qarry/water/sand recovery course. Oh, take a group (get the discount) and make a fun day of it. You will enjoy it and the money is very worth it.
Buy a kit instead of pieces as it comes with a bag that is very handy to put over the rope/strap and you pull a vehicle out. You can add pieces to it later.
Only and a hint to people who think that any vehicle can snatch another... please don't try as it can be harmful.
Be of equal or preferably greater weight/mass to the bogged vehicle depends on the degree of mud/sand suction and how deep they are. Oh and what they are.
An xtrail can pull a pajero out of the relativly small bogged area if it has a good traction and the pajero is unloaded of excess weight.
e.g.
I used our work navara (the old crappy model) to pull out a loaded cruiser trayback on the course, from a very small mudhole (the boys were giving me crap). I only managed it thanks to low range and a the load we stuck in the navara the day before.
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Scareyann
Central Qld
2008 TS - Flint
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7/Oct/2009, 9:21 pm
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Re: Recovery / Snatching
Snatching - an area of recovery that can be very dangerous.
Akazulu - in relation to trying to snatch the Pajero, I hope that all the sand built up in front of all wheels had been dug out, along with any sand built up in fornt of any other parts such as diffs if that bogged.
I have done this and then used a strap to just assist a bogged Rodeo towing quite a large caravan in a soft sand rise on the beach with just a Daihatsu Feroza - similar size/weight to an XTrail.
Also have had a mate recover my (intentionally) bogged down to the diffs GU Patrol with a Suzuki Sierra -- and that wasn't dug out.
So the first thing is to manually remove as much resistance as possible.
Next thing - attach securely to proper recovery points, spreading the load if possible across multiple points - eg an equalisation strap on the front.
On the back I would use a receiver that slips into the towbar box section first - then connect the strap to that with a shackle, or else either the strap in the square hitch with the pin slipped through and secured OR a shackle through the hole in the towbar where the ball goes.
NEVER put a strap over a towball - people have died from this.
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Ian X-1289(c)
2009 Platinum TL Xtrail - Scanguage2, Mio Moov360 GPS, Fridge, 100AH AGM 2nd battery, cargo barrier.
1998 GU Patrol 4.5 Petrol, lifted locked, barred...... so much there.
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