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Ha! Pooka good find on the kate spade bag! I always carry the same little Le Sac with me wherever I go so I would never have caught that! And Addie with your crush on Peen!! He has very expressive eyes doesn't he? I have to admit that I'm a Dong Young fan! After getting to know him (and after watching him for hours and hours I know the dude) I am really liking him and his character. His character is really the ideal man isn't he? Strong, confident, handsome but not too handsome, noble, sweet....sigh.

I just reviewed episodes 22 and 23 (I've been a bad bad girl! I finished episode 27 the other day....I couldn't help it. It was so good and I couldn't stop watching.) I think it's terribly unfair of Dawmy to keep her identity a secret from her poor father. She's so reasonable in every way except in this action. Of course the writers had to do it to keep the plot thick but it's so irritating!

Kang Hee is becoming pathetic. She just won't buck up will she? She absolutely has to go to her mom and make her tell her that she loves her best, not Dawmy. She's just drowning in self-pity poor girl.

I think the scenes where Dawmy finds her identity were very good. So glad it's finally happened! The only weak and exasperating part is where she hides in the trees with DY and doesn't greet her father. Her father doesn't see her or DY (and neither does the maid nor the chauffeur nor the assistant) even though they stick out like red tents on white snow. That happens a lot in Kdrama doesn't it?

3/23/2006, 3:31 pm

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I was so tempted to watch more episodes last night too, so I know what you're going through. But I stopped myself. ;) Plus if I watched all those out of our schedule time, I would be finishing the show, which I don't want to do. I want to prolong this great experience! I am on bated breath waiting to see episode 23 tonight though.

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3/23/2006, 4:23 pm

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my brother is visiting so I don't think I'll be able to watch ep 23 tonight . I'm not that upset - this way I can spread this drama out a little bit.
Buppy ,you caught me ! Both guys are great ,but I have a soft spot for Bad Boy .(sigh)

It was as I thought : I didn't get to watch part 23 tonight ,so I'll either stretch this out another day (not very likely ) or double up on eps
tomorrow !What a great show! I have so many favorite moments ,but episode 22 was just incredible ...I can't believe the emotion that Duomei had to go through . I am hoping that KangHee can remember some of those times too,but she has been so traumatized .First thinking JunHee & her oma were dead,then having to change her identity to a supposed dead girl that she looked upon as a sister .
Calling Dr Freud !!!!!!!

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3/23/2006, 5:25 pm

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Gosh if I could get all these people, Kanghee, Dawmy, Mr. Ko, Kanghee's mom to a psychiatrist! One thing about this movie is how everyone gets so twisted trying to fit into society in the 70's. I'm guessing it was pretty conservative back then and that adoption, and orphans, had a bad stigma. I think even now in Korea, especially in the upper classes, an adopted person has lower status. That might explain why this whole thing about being the real or the fake Jun Hee is so important to everyone, especially Jun Hee.

3/23/2006, 11:10 pm

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Episode 23 :
Now that Duomei remembers who she is,the floodgates of memories are open.It's going to be harder & harder to keep that in.As it is ,she weeps when she sees people like her father & Bin . They are all going to start wondering what's up.
I was so glad when Bin came home from HK ,and there was a touching scene when his mother realized about his arm.I think she would like to make amends and start over.Maybe it' not too late.I think Bin has a soft heart...maybe that's part of the reason I like him so much.
I think that KangHee really wanted to find JunHee-that is until she realized that Duomei (aka JH ) had been with KH'mother.Then something snapped inside her. It's hard to watch her take it out on JH...who is totally blameless in this whole wheel of fate. It is too much to ask of Mr Go to give up his search for his biological daughter. He has already said it would not effect his relationship with KH...he can do no more.His big mistake was making KH change her name.No wonder she doesn't know who she is .Add a gunshot wound,post traumatic stress disorder,and you have one screwed up chick .
I think I'll stay one ep behind in order to keep F70's going as long as possible emoticon

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3/24/2006, 7:48 pm

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That would be so interesting to know, if adoption within the Korean community did have a stigma attached. Buppy, can you ask your Mom if she knows anything about it? It seems like with so much importance placed on family and so much family upheaval during the years of the war, that all families would have members that were tangentially attached - but that blood connection is so important, maybe you wouldn't consider taking a child from outside the family? Perhaps that's why there were so many orphans who came to the US and Australia after the war, and still so many were left in Korean orphanages. There were cases of families being forced by poverty to put some of their children into orphanages just so the children could be fed and clothed. The truly, truly stigmatized orphans were the babies born from liasons between the U.N. forces (mostly American GIs) and Korean girls. They had to be abandoned at orphanages or the girls' families would bear the stigmas forever. The lucky girls left Korea as war brides. (I guess?) That's a whole part of the post-war story that we don't see in F-70s.

3/24/2006, 7:56 pm

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Yes, bb, I think all of that is implied in the narrative of Fashion 70's. Adoption still has a stigma in Korea because people are so into their bloodlines and other sh*t like that. My Korean teacher says it is especially sad for boys. Girls have a chance of being adopted because they marry into another family eventually; boys are seen as the carriers of a family's bloodline and they are less likely to be adopted as a result. In Korea anything that is different from a nuclear family with two parents who are married to each other is frowned upon-- so a divorced person carries a terrible stigma, especially in the 70's when it was less americanized. I'm not sure what was worse back in those days, to be adopted or to be divorced. Probably, divorced was worse with adoption a close 2nd!

About the children of US soldiers, they really had it bad after the war. They were not allowed to go to school even! My mother says they were universally shunned by Korean society. How heartbreaking is that? Nowadays someone who is half Korean is more accepted in society although I personally have had comments directed at me and my son by Koreans who do not like mixed children. On the other hand, I've also had very nice comments from Koreans who love his handsome features and his amber hair.

I think the other interesting thing I've noticed in Fashion 70's, another implication in the narrative, is the lack of Christian thinking. There's a lot of Christian thinking in American films. For instance, as an American, I can understand a character's motivations in an American film because, even if the character is not Christian, he or she will do a lot of things based on a Judeo-Christian heritage. So, if I watched an american movie where someone is adopted and has an identity crisis you usually don't sense a great deal of shame from the adopted person -- but in Kang Hee's case, you do.

In Fashion 70's and a lot of Korean movies, there's a lot of Confucian thinking. I also notice a lot of talk about next lives, destiny, fate, karma which are illustrative of the Buddhist heritage and values. It's really interesting to me how much of my own values I automatically assume everyone else will have and it's shocking when I realize there are people in the world who are different!

I think the whole Christian, non-Christian discussion applies to adoption to, which is my main point. (Hey, if you're still with me at this point!) Americans have embraced adoption wholeheartedly. I think it has a lot to do with the Judeo-Christian heritage in America. Adoption is not as popular in Korea because Judeo-Christian values are not as strong in Asian countries.

3/24/2006, 10:26 pm

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Yes, yes, yes, this is so helpful. Thanks, Buppy. And so interesting. The books I read about Korea talk about Confucianism being the foundation of the culture but a few paragraphs from you quickly place it in a perspective that's easy for me to understand. Kang Hee feeling shame didn't occur to me as an American - why would she? but now it makes more sense even why Mr. Ko would have given her JunHee's name and birthdate. And why she is suffering this collapse of spirit from what is happening. In this situation would she be expected to bow to fate/karma or to fight to hold on to whatever she can?

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I may be falling behind another day ,and I think I'm doing it on purpose ! I'm busy,but I do not want this story to end .It's funny ,I was reading a part of the forum where they discuss Eng subtitled dvd 's.

Several people talked about how poor the quality of the subtitles for Fashion 70's were . I noticed that too,in the beginning. The story is so compelling that I quickly got over that . However ,I did not pay the price on yesasia ,and my set looked identical to the one offered there
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3/25/2006, 8:32 pm

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Hey here I am again, I got sidetracked by Mars(T-drama) with my new BF.

So let's see where am I going to start. Eps. 23-24-25 So T knows who she really is now after DY took her back to find her past. It was such a great scene when he started crying and said he was sorry for not being able to come for her sooner (yeah I also have a crush on him). She thanks DY for finding the real her and her dad. Peen's mom and T find out about Peen's arm. I loved Addie's remark about it not being anything important like a legs,eyes, etc.!! LOL!!! So JH finds the old notebook in T's purse so now her worst nightmare has come true. DY convinces YJ to tell convince T to meet her dad and tell the truth . JH tells T she knows that she now knows the whole truth and she doesn't want to be friends with her. She then tells her she will give her back her life after the fashion show. Too late Mr. Ko has found out that T is his daughter and goes to find her. In the meantime T is trying to talk to her mom and JH hears the whole conversation from outside. She hears how her mom took care of T and protected her and how DY came to tell YJ to let T go. I did feel sorry for JH at that point. T gets to have the reunion with her dad and he takes her to riverbank where her mom is burried. Later YJ goes to the riverbank really drunk and goes into the river to save her pic of her and T. P is living in by himself and won't see anyone but T gets him to let her in . They have a very sad conversation and he tries to get her to hug him , of course DY is outside and hears the conversation. She won't do it and tells him to come to the fashion show because she has made him a suit. They show the fashion show and a cop comes looking for JH but DY stops him and finds out that they think YJ has drowned in the river. OH no maybe the ghost of JH real mom came to take her!!! Just Kidding but how great would that be!!LOL!! Well I am tempted to go on but I will try to hang in there.

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