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Re: K-Drama: 별난여자, 별난남자 (The Bizarre Bunch/Peculiar Woman,Man)
I just watched episode #48 where Kiwoong's grandmother finds out that Haein is not his girfriend, but was Sukyun girlfriend. I knew his grandmother was going to be upset, but I didn't know she would be that upset. Now I can kind of understand why Kiwoong didn't want to tell her.
I did not like the way Haein spoke to Kiwoong. I know he should have told his grandmother but she was a little harsh. She also had the chance to tell her too. In the first place she should have never gone along with the idea in the first place, she had already told Kiwoong she didn't like him in that way. I'm not saying she shouldn't have been mad but she also could have been less harsh. As for Sukyun getting upset at Haein in the car, oh my goodness, he has some nerve, he is harboring feelings for Jongnam. I know he had the right to be mad but he could have been a little more understanding considering his feelings for Jongnam.
It seems everytime Sukyun sees Jongnam his face just lights up unlike when he sees Haein, to me it seems like he's just polite to her no real passion.
I loved the part when S and J were eating lunch together. When she was eating the chicken feet, I swear S wanted to lick the sauce off her face, that's the feeling I got.
I know you guys are ahead of me but I needed to write about this episode.
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K-Drama: 별난여자, 별난남자 (The Bizarre Bunch/Peculiar Woman,Man)
Korean Scorpio--thanks for sharing your story. You are an exception! What a passion you must have held to hold out against your dad, and it probably was a little bit easier since you were in America. I agree with your assessment of Haein and Jongam--and the reason Jongam doesn't have traditional connection is that she was not in a family as a child--so that all a Korean child is taught about family and traditions is through their parents, Poor Jongam--she just has that beautiful simplicity that a person has when a whole new world has been opened to them. And Sukhyun--why wouldn't he be so impressed with Jongam--look at his mother--she is so cold. Jongam must seem like a popsicle to a man who has been in a 120 degree room for his whole life, an unbelieveable and inconceivable treat!
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2/7/2006, 7:26 am
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K-Drama: 별난여자, 별난남자 (The Bizarre Bunch/Peculiar Woman,Man)
Just to answer one thing you wrote emceema. There was at one time a great difference between the East and West and the purpose of marriage --in the West romantic love was exulted as all there is, but in the East, similarity in backgrounds, religion and education were believed to predict a better match for marriage. After all, we know that the flame of romantic love does die down and then what remains is what the couple has in common together--their shared goals, and out of that comes a deeper kind of love.
Divorce wasn't an option in Eastern cultures until Western culture either through colonialization or war presented its vision of romantic love. Duty kept people together--the best for the group not the individual. A recent article on divorce in Korea reported:
"Korea's divorce rate declined last year after a decade's seemingly
unstoppable rise. Ministry of Court Administration data released Tuesday put the number of amicable divorces filed in courts across the nation last year at 143.922, 18 percent less than in 2003. Amicable divorces had been on a steady rise, first exceeding 100,000 cases in 1998. The number of divorce lawsuits also steadily increased from 28,000 cases in 1991, peaking at 49,380 in 2001.
Infidelity was the main reason cited in lawsuits, accounting for 46.1
percent of the total. Couples in their 30s made up the biggest group seeking a divorce, with 46.2 percent of men and 40.8 percent of women. Some 65.2 percent had been married for less than five years."
Unfortunately, romantic love as portrayed in our literature, our music, our art is a difficult thing to maintain here in America (which has the third highest rate of divorce in the world). Imagine how difficult in must be in a culture like Korea where more value is placed on meeting certain standards rather than being "head-over-heels" in love. If a Korean couple defies parents' wishes and marry for love--it may work for a while, but we know that love is always affected by outside forces that the couple cannot control.
Sorry to go on so long. It's just that I think this contrast between love and duty is a fascinating one. And those of us who are American see these dramas with our Western eyes and want the romantic love to triumph--like Jongam and Sukhyun. But in reality there probably wouldn't be any happily ever after there in the real world for them--just in our romantically indoctrinated minds-- because the pressures of cultural reponsibilities would be strong and when the "newness" of love wore off, these pressures could feel insurmountable.
That doesn't mean I'm not rooting with my Western values that Sukhyun will carry Jongam away and live happily ever after...
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2/7/2006, 9:35 am
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Re: K-Drama: 별난여자, 별난남자 (The Bizarre Bunch/Peculiar Woman,Man)
and . . . last night, Sukhyun's music was sad . . . not only was he trying to share a very private side of himself w/Jongnam by taking her to his special alone place . . . she told him she didn't like the music . . . even sadder! . . . my heart breaks for Jongnam and Sukhyun.
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P.S. If I recall correctly, this is only "Jongnam's" 2d movie - - did any of you see her in Emperor of the Sea? She's highly talented.
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2/7/2006, 9:55 am
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Professor972: I appreciate your info re: Divorce Statistics in Korea and the East and West concept of marriage and love. I do have a personal knowledge of the Eastern Concept of marriage because I came also from the East. What is tragic is in my home country, divorce is not allowed by law. So if you enter into a loveless marriage, you are trapped for life. It is a til death situation. That is why the percentage of married male's infidelity is great (I don't know for sure actual percentage right now, maybe 60%?) Even married females' infidelity is on the rise also, specially in the affluent society. However, I am a hopeless romantic and I do believe in love til death do you part. My husband and I are in that category and I hope my children too. My husband and I have been married for 34 years and our relationship is not just comfortable but also passionate.
In this train of thoughts, K' mom and dad's marriage is probably true love and S's parents were arranged. Maybe H's parents were arranged to? They have the opposite personality. It is difficult to imagine that there is love there.
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2/7/2006, 11:38 am
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No, Hain's mother once said, Do you remember how you couldn't spend enough time with me?
Are you from the Philippines where Catholicism rules? China is in the top ten of countries with the highest divorce rate. Countries that were colonized by Spain have very strict rules on divorce--so do Muslim countries.
But anyway, all of that is to say that all Eastern countries are not alike. My good friend in Korea told me they are very different from Chinese, And so much has to do with any effects colonialization had on the thinking in any particular counrty. China, which is dominated by the communist, doesn't have any religious restrictions against divorce and has never been colonized on the mainland bu any religiosly oriented cultures, so I guess that's why divorce seems to be no big deal. South Korea has been heavily influenced by an American presence since 1950 or so and therefore has incorporated a lot of Western thinking into their culture--like women working after marriage, like not living with parents unless you want to (although, I understand that still is a big deal).
And I think passion can last, but where there are forces like Nara to contend with there is less chance, I think.
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This is a post from our newest member, EvelynK. I am moving her request here, to the official Bizarre Bunch topic.
WELCOME, EvelynK! class blockquote EvelynK wrote:
Bizarre Bunch: What happened after Nara slapped Jongnam?
Hi, I'm Evelyn, I missed the episode right after Nara slapped Jongnam for being with Sukhyun. How did Jongnam react, what did she say? What did Nara say?
On another note, does anyone find Jongnam annoying? I find her annoying and wish they would devote more time to Haein.
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I like Haein and think she's very pretty, more so than Jongnam. I find Jongnam's personality annoying. Everybody seems to like Jongnam, but she grates on my nerves at times.
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2/7/2006, 2:17 pm
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class blockquote EvelynK wrote:
I like Haein and think she's very pretty, more so than Jongnam. I find Jongnam's personality annoying. Everybody seems to like Jongnam, but she grates on my nerves at times.Hi EvelynK!
We don't really dislike Haein, we just find her rather boring. Jongnam on the other hand, is not at all, and I don't find Jongnam at all annoying. It's expected of her to be like that, since she has been an orphan almost her whole life. First off, she wasn't raised well, she's not aware of having a family or being taught manners. That's just the way she is. That's her character and that's how she has always lived life.
Now, if Haein actually married for the purpose of love, then I would've liked her alot more. AND if she didn't treat such a great character like Kiwoong so lowly, then she would be one of my favorite characters. No offense, but she needs to become aware of people's feelings. What really annoys me about her most of all is that she backsasses Kiwoong, and then pretends like it didn't happen in a short period of time. I also dislike the way she takes Kiwoong out to dinner, but hates it when Sukhyun takes Jongnam out. That's what really crosses the line for me about her. And also the way she opens her eyes when she gets shocked. I feel like they bulge too much. But overall, she is a pretty girl. She's mature and independent, and maybe that's why she attracts alot of people.
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