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While I'm going to miss the original kids, it is nice to see Ilhong and her brood doing so well. The best part is that she took her long faithful lifetime friend along for the ride. Her friend was never hesitant to help Ilhong with little regard to her own peril. Let's hope they find a good match for her as well.


I do agree that having Ilhong fall into bed with Namji seems well out of character in this case. It seems a lot can happen when the camera is off or when the stations decide to get out their giant pair of scissors.

I would like to think that most guys fall for women because of the people that they are and not the stuff that they have. I had no idea that there was so much emphasis put on one's resume in matters of the heart. Most men look for a woman that will be good for themselves and their future children. Kind of like the one's that their mothers either were or weren't.

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Hey, didn't it end last nite with MIL showing up at Ilhong's? After all these years!! If she came back for Sarang I hope Ilhong shows her the door!! Ilhong has had that child since she was a baby.

Ilhong is Sarang's mother now. MIL couldn't handle her sorry life and wallowed in alcohol. She wasn't going through a fraction of what Ilhong was suffering but Ilhong kept Sarang with her!! I don't like MIL....





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class blockquote robbo4 wrote:

I would like to think that most guys fall for women because of the people that they are and not the stuff that they have. I had no idea that there was so much emphasis put on one's resume in matters of the heart. Most men look for a woman that will be good for themselves and their future children. Kind of like the one's that their mothers either were or weren't. emoticon
It has to be remembered that the traditional Asian view of marriage is that the most important part of one's life is the family as a whole. Putting one's own feelings first is considered the ultimate selfishness and is to be discouraged. (That's the major rift between Asian and American cultures—the traditional Asian way views American pride of individualism a great sin and to be driven out of a person.)

Naturally, every person feels an emotional draw, or love, for a particular person based on who they are as an individual. But, traditionally, Asian men would marry a woman who is "okay" but comes from a family that will enhance his family or both families' social/financial status. Being in love was gravy.

But the same is true here in upper crust society. Remember that Jackie Kennedy wouldn't let her son marry Darryl Hannah (an actress) because she didn't have the right background? Even though he fell in love with the woman he eventually married, she had the correct social status ("conditions") to marry into the Kennedy/Bouvier clans. In the other direction, wasn't it one of the Rockefeller boys who fell in love with a Scandinavian maid in his parents' home? He married her (against much family opposition), but it was a disaster in many ways, ending in a bitter divorce.

Question: Who is the young guy hanging around Ilhong at her company? He seems to like her, but I don't recall who he is, exactly.

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class blockquote nchristi wrote:

Question: Who is the young guy hanging around Ilhong at her company? He seems to like her, but I don't recall who he is, exactly.
I don't know his name but he is the guy riding the motorcycle that accidently killed her husband.

So, it looks like Designer Guy and Il-Hong are fated to hook up. I thought it would be Designer Guy and Ayeong(?). Despite her constant "can't stand him," "I'll show him" she really does like him and wants to make herself to be everything that he is looking for. Why else would she try to go to the same school he did and study the same thing?

I do not like MIL. She showed not because she wants Sarang (I'm sure that's a plus), but I think she wants to live off of Il-Hong. JMO.


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Thanks for the info, Tushka. I never would have remembered that he was the one involved in the husband's accidental death.

The e-subs in this drama never cease to amaze me. emoticon So many times I get the feeling the translator is someone who has been taught a few choice words of English but not knowing the real meaning, or is sitting there with a Thesaurus in one hand picking out synonyms that just don't fit in conversational English. At times I wonder if some "native speaker" is teaching a newbie some low brow words/phrases while pretending they mean something good.

Sounds like Con-mom had a very interesting work history. She worked "in a restaurant as a pimp"?!

The saddest scene tonight was of Mr. Seo's family eating. The ugliness of mother-in-law and his wife, then finally the camera on Mr. Seo. Holy cow. Did you ever see a more miserable looking man than he? And who could blame him?! That poor man looks as though he barely has an ounce of life left in him.

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I'm pretty sure that the line "...worked in a restaurant as a pimp." was the result of one of those supposedly hip new phrases (probably due to the assistance of some "native speaker" about the age of twenty-something) refering to MIL's job where she had to round up customers on the street to get them inside of the place they showed her working.

Every now and then I see this kind of thing among the subs and wonder if the translaters really know their target audience. Since a great many of these shows are viewed by a high percentage of school-aged girls and mature women, the direction of the subs may veer at times toward the ear of one group or another. As the subtitlers are not always the same persons or groups as the last episode or scene, we can often note the changing of shifts through the dialogue that appears. (Sometimes being forced to translate what is actually being conveyed in the scene. It can be like finding the right answers to a crossword puzzle. KDrama is like the best class you ever had. I never come to this class and think about ditching and I always learn something new! emoticon )
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I think MIL is there, not for Sarang, but to mooch off Ilhong. She saw Ilhong in the paper and knows she is doing well. She wants to take advantage of that... Sarang doesn't know that Ilhong isn't her bio mother. She'll be horrified when she finds out her 'grandma' is her mother..

Mr Designer goes to Ilhongs' and the youngest daughter spills liquid on him. He leaves in a huff and almost hits Ilhong's oldest daughter with his car! I want Mr Designer and Ilhong together, but I think he will get with Ayeong. Ayeong is back from studying design and she can't wait to show off to Mr Designer.

Ilhong's last child belongs to Namji, so Ilhong may get back with him. Namji is a con and even if he changes, I would prefer Ilhong not end up with him.



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I'm hoping that Mr. Seo will be "rescued" from the horrible women in his life by Ilhong, "Mr. Weirdo" (Ilhong's perfect name for the designer jerk!) gets "tamed" by the pretty Seo daughter, and Liz Taylor (my own nickname for the semi-lush MIL) gets to make the elder guys final years better than the previous ones spent in the clutches of the two harpies. I know he's cheated on his wife, but all indications point to there being some reason and justification for his doing so. emoticon emoticon emoticon
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Let's see... class ul class li Ilhong's friend will probably end up with the lawyer. class li I'm hoping Ilhong ends up with Namgi. class li Can't stand Designer Guy. Besides his personality, I dislike his looks. He reminds me of a snake. class li Like Mr. Seo. Hope he can find a pleasant, happy life somewhere. Heaven only knows he deserves it. class li MIL is annoying. But at least she makes the old man happy and seems to really love him. (I wonder if she is secretly Namgi's mother, too? emoticon) class li The nasty woman employee at Seo's furniture company—I'd like to put her in solitary confinement with Designer Guy... class li Ilhong's older daughter... I like her. Too bad she's got a crush on Designer Guy. Is she in high school now? Maybe in a couple years they'll get together. class li Aeyong... she'll probably end up with Designer Guy. They're a good match, if he ever gets his head out of his .... oh, never mind...

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I LOVE Designer Guy.. But I am no longer thinking he'll end up with Ilhong. I think she just may end up with Namji (mainly because she DID sleep with him and they have a child together)... Namji is a con-guy though. Will he really change?

I now think Designer Guy will end up with Aeyong..

Maybe Ilhong will end up just being a independent single mother.

Yes to the Lawyer and Ilhong's best friend...

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