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CJKDramas.com  Japanese Drama   J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) Support board & forum SearchRSS CJKDramas.com   |   Runboard       註冊 / 登録 / Register (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?) Page:  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20   21  22  23  24  25  26  27  28  29  30  31  32  33  34  35  36  37  38  39  40   41  42  43  44  45  46  47  48  49  50  51  52  53  54  55  brad6 Member Global user Registered: 07-2004 Posts: 2266 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) I wondered about Zusho taking poison. That is something I have thought of as being a Korean custom. People used to be banished and then sent the poison which they had to drink in view of the messengers. The Japanese samurai always were shown in a ritual if possible ,before seppuku. Sometimes they would write a death poem and arrange themselves so that they would fall properly. I think this is the first time I have seen poison being used. Peggy 2/28/2008, 11:23 am    Hiroshi66 Moderator Global user (premium) Registered: 02-2004 Location: Northridge, California Posts: 8795 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) It was indeed really odd that they chose to use harakiri instead of seppuku in the subtitles. Harakiri is practically a literal translation of the action committed during ritual disembowelment. 腹切り　(Harakiri)　ー　腹　（Hara means belly or bowel) and 切り　（Kiri - comes from 切る - which is the Japanese verb "to cut"). So it has a more direct and almost vulgar connotation. I guess that's why 切腹 (Seppuku) is usually favored for use in Japanese. But I have no idea why one took precedence over the other among English speakers. In American textbooks, I've almost always seen Harakiri. Very rarely is seppuku used - unless they mention that it is a synonym for harakiri. Odd. As for the poison - this is really the first time that I've seen a Japanese person commit suicide that way. In this time period, anyways (since there were some Japanese politicians who committed suicide with cyanide - but that was after the end of the Second World War). Usually, during the samurai period, the only accepted method of "dying honorably" was with seppuku. Maybe committing suicide with poison really shows Zusho's break from the past. It might have been his way of silently rebelling against what he believed to be the injustice of Japanese society in 1848. It was just odd to see him get poison. Maybe it was obtained through his smuggling operations with the Chinese? 2/29/2008, 10:47 am    nchristi Moderator Global user (premium) Registered: 03-2004 Location: Hotel California Posts: 8809 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) My recorder stopped last night just when Okatsu was leaving the poor family (after Mom had told her to not come back any more). The two men came running out to apologize for the mother running her off. Okatsu kneeled down to speak with them. That's the last I saw. Would someone please be kind enough to briefly list the main events after that? I would appreciate it very much. I love this drama and find it completely engrossing. My heart fell when I suddenly realized this morning that the recording had stopped! (I didn't even care that my 10p K-drama was lost, too. LOL!) 3/2/2008, 3:34 pm    brad6 Member Global user Registered: 07-2004 Posts: 2266 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) nchristi, As best as I can remember... They were offering their services for anything in the future and the parting remained friendly. However Atsu's maid was waiting for her at the outer gate. Trouble..... Atsu in front of her mother and the maid refusing to say where she had been and why. Finally said to her mother, 'What is pride?' Her mother gave her philosophical idea and then Atsu said 'Oh I have hurt someones pride today'. Her mother asked who and was the person strong or weak. Atsu replied 'she is a strong person' Then said her mother'You have not hurt her. How can you be so arrogant to think that you can do that to a strong woman. this satisfied and seemed to comfort Atsu. It was a very special little scene as it was a learning experience for Atsu. After that we saw the new lord returning from Edo and talking with the heads of families. Hopes that he would raise the punishment from the family heads etc. He was having tea with Atsu's father and asked to meet his daughter later. The next instalment seems to be when he meets Atsu for the first time and she angers him and he really is furious with her. That is all I can remember. Peg 3/2/2008, 6:37 pm    Hiroshi66 Moderator Global user (premium) Registered: 02-2004 Location: Northridge, California Posts: 8795 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) Nchristi, I hate when that happens to my VCR! I think the worst part is usually I won't know that my recorder stopped until I actually watch the program, so its like all the suspense is building up and then it just stops. Luckily Peg got all the main points of the last part of the episode down, so you didn't miss too too much. Episode 3 - Satsuma Divide Aired Saturday, March 1, 2008 I'm really liking this drama, even better than Yo****sune at this point. I think its because of Princess Katsu and her interactions with her family and her friends. She was really before her time. We're already at 1851, so that means Perry's Black Ships are 2 years away. The shogun's son really disturbed me. This episode also introduced some new characters. The shogun, Tokugawa Ieyoshi, and his son were among the most important ones. The son did seem to be very mentally unfit, but he does seem to have a calculating side in him (especially when he asked Nariaki about how far Satsuma is from Edo - and then making that sly comment about how he has an advantage since he sees more on that trip than the other lords who live closer to Edo.) I think Princess Katsu did learn a lesson when it came to her relations with the poor family. I think she wanted to see a different side of Satsuma, and she just seemed to be fascinated with that family in particular that had lost so much (the father in exile, and the brother under house-arrest) yet seemed to make the best of what they had. Great drama. Looking forward to Episode 4. Speaking of episodes, I think Episode 10 just aired in Japan, so that means we're about seven weeks behind. 3/3/2008, 9:18 am    nchristi Moderator Global user (premium) Registered: 03-2004 Location: Hotel California Posts: 8809 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) Thanks, Peg, for the highlights. I had the feeling Okatsu was going to get caught this time. At least she didn't get fully found out. Times being what they were, I was also afraid that the poor family would be punished for allowing Okatsu to visit and bring them food. Do you think there will be a "romance" (of the heart only) between Okatsu and the samurai son from the poor family who is confined? He saved her from being struck with the wooden "sword" that time and she seems to be drawn to him more than to anyone else in his household. 3/3/2008, 5:29 pm    Hiroshi66 Moderator Global user (premium) Registered: 02-2004 Location: Northridge, California Posts: 8795 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) class blockquote nchristi wrote: I had the feeling Okatsu was going to get caught this time. At least she didn't get fully found out. Times being what they were, I was also afraid that the poor family would be punished for allowing Okatsu to visit and bring them food.Oh, definitely. In fact, I think one of the reasons that the family was rather suspicious of Okatsu is because they were scared that it would be discovered and that their family would be heavily punished for allowing Okatsu to be in their home. The Tokugawa regime of this time was not very big on class mobility. The samurai classes were not expected to associate with the peasants on any personal levels. I think this class problem is going to be a problem with Katsu as well when it comes to marriage. I remember the scene in last week's episode where Naogoro (is that her childhood friend's name?) talks to his friends, and says that though he is of the same class as Katsu and could marry her if he wished, he didn't want to unless he had her consent. I wonder why she seemed so fascinated with Okubo, the young samurai who was under house arrest. I guess we'll find out next week. 3/4/2008, 5:17 am    bubu13 Member Global user Registered: 07-2006 Posts: 1357 Quote Princess Armani Aoi Miyazaki chosen as Armani model Last week, it was announced that actress Aoi Miyazaki has been chosen as an official Japan model for Emporio Armani. Her promotional campaign started on Wednesday, with ads appearing in magazines, newspapers, and on billboards. Images can be found on the Emporio Armani website. Click thumbnail to enlarge For those who want to see the (larger) pics on the Emporio Armani site: Select English (or another language if you want), then click on the left "Open Menu," then go to Advertising, then choose Collection. After you do that, you can start clicking the left arrow, or click on the Thumbnail option at the bottom. Source: Tokyograph --- 3/6/2008, 1:28 pm    Hiroshi66 Moderator Global user (premium) Registered: 02-2004 Location: Northridge, California Posts: 8795 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) Thanks for the pictures, Bubu! This is the first time I've seen Aoi Miyazaki outside of her role as Princess Katsu, and it seems so different to see her out of the usual kimono we see her in during Atsu-hime. I'm really looking forward to seeing her in other roles, though. She's a very young actress but I think she's really talented, since the way she acts is very fresh and new. She reminds me a bit of Noriko Nakagoshi, the actress who played Kokoro in the NHK Morning drama Kokoro that we saw. Both from the sounds of their voices and a bit from the appearances too. 3/7/2008, 10:48 am    Hiroshi66 Moderator Global user (premium) Registered: 02-2004 Location: Northridge, California Posts: 8795 Quote Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime) Episode 4 - A Wise Lord Angered aired Saturday, March 8, 2008 First thing I'm happy to report on is the return of the travelogues! What UTB had been doing lately was airing the preview of the next episode once the episode airing was finished. But what they did last night was air the subtitled travelogue once again! I think this is the first time since Yo****sune that this has been done. Its nice to see them again, I always enjoyed seeing what the scenery from the drama has become in the current day. This episode was great again, and I'm happy to say that this drama isn't becoming dull at all. I don't think Lord Nariakira was angered by Princess Katsu though. As we saw with the young princess Tetsu who came in before Katsu, I think Narakira was bored with hearing the same mundane answers when asking the princesses what they did for fun (ikebana or tea ceremony). I loved the expression on Lord Nariakira's face when Katsu said "History books!" What I didn't understand was one of the final scenes. Maybe someone can help out here, but it was after Nariakira was looking at the globe and mentioned to the teacher that he wanted to meet the princess again. It seemed to be a conversation between the younger brother of Nariakira and some man I didn't recognize. Not sure if we've seen him before. He tells the brother that he's in love with the Imaizumi princess, and the brother slaps his knee and says "That's ridiculous!". His face was dark so I couldn't recognize the person. Though we're in 1851, Katsu mentions she's 17. I remember that she was born in 1835, so wouldn't this mean she's still only 16? Or maybe is it because during this time, people considered a baby to be one years old at the time of birth, and with that she would be 17. Not sure. But all in all, I'm really happy with this series. Last edited by Hiroshi66, 3/9/2008, 10:59 am 3/9/2008, 10:58 am    Add a reply Page:  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20   21  22  23  24  25  26  27  28  29  30  31  32  33  34  35  36  37  38  39  40   41  42  43  44  45  46  47  48  49  50  51  52  53  54  55  Link to us   -  Blogs   -  Hall of Honour   -  Chat You are not logged in (login)      11/28/2009, 8:41 pm

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