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Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime)
class blockquote On the other hand, I really liked Tokugawa Yo****omi. Though he was very young (which is the reason why Nariakira and the Hitotsubashi faction do not support him) he demonstrates a lot of compassion and leadership qualities.I don't know.... there's something about him that rubbed me the wrong way. He may be knowledgeable, but I felt like he answered the way he knew would impress the women.
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7/20/2008, 7:14 pm
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I may be wrong but I think that Yoshinobu did become the shogun at some point. His 15 year old bride was named Kazu and came from a very distinguished family. Her travelling party numbered in the hundreds on the trip to Edo. It would appear that Lady Tenshoin (Atsu) was not very hospitable and even sat in the highest position when meeting her which made Kazu furious. Also she and her ladies were housed in what were servants quarters, which were dark and not very pleasant.
I don't know why the animosity on the part of Lady Tenshoin. She apparently ruled the Ooku with a rod of iron.
Yoshinobu died very soon after becoming Shogun but I don't know what became of Kazu.
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7/20/2008, 10:54 pm
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Peg, you're thinking of Yo****omi. Here's a page about him if people are interested in reading about him (there are spoilers though!)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Iemochi
I wonder why Yoshinobu is depicted as a jerk in both this show and Shinsengumi! He must have had some quality that Lord Nariakira liked.
Yo****omi is about 11 years old in 1857. I guess I would be concerned about passing on the leadership of the country to a child too.
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7/20/2008, 11:25 pm
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Wow, so Yo****omi was only eleven years old in 1857? He acted very mature for his age. I guess that's the reason why the Ooku supports him in becoming the next shogun. Compared to Yoshinobu, he acts so much more polite. Perhaps he had an easier childhood than Yoshinobu did.
Speaking of Tokugawa Yoshinobu, I also wonder why he is looked at so negatively throughout these historical dramas. I was searching for some clips about Atsu-hime on YouTube, and I found some clips of the 1998 taiga drama which was about the life of Tokugawa Yoshinobu. Seems like an interesting show (pretty much covers the same time period as Shinsengumi and Atsu-hime).
Ironically, from what I saw of this 1998 taiga, it portrayed Atsu-hime/Lady Tensho-in very negatively. I also have no idea why Atsu has such a negative portrayal in some movies and dramas which chronicle this tumultuous period in Japan's history. I guess that's the interesting part about history, there are so many different perspectives when looking at one topic. Even within this drama -- Shogun Iesada was perceived by all of Edo Castle to be a fool. When Atsu looked deeper and got to him better, that perception proved to be entirely false. I guess there's two sides to every story.
But I also enjoy the fact that this drama is about such a recent period in Japan's history. Most of the taiga's do cover the events of the 14th-16th centuries, but I love when we have something more recent.
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7/21/2008, 5:28 am
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Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime)
sylia74
Yes I got the Yoshi's names mixed up. ...thanks for the correction. I was too lazy to go back to the wiki page to refresh my memory. Sorry about that.
I thought it was fascinating to read how Atsu, then the Lady Tenshoin, treated this highborn Kazu with such disdain. I wonder why she did not like her. Also I wonder what happened to her after her fairly new husband died? So many of the later Shoguns seemed to die at a very young age.
It is all truly fascinating to compare the dramas with the history. I am so glad this part of Japanese history is well covered.
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7/21/2008, 9:48 am
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class blockquote On the other hand, I really liked Tokugawa Yo****omi. Though he was very young (which is the reason why Nariakira and the Hitotsubashi faction do not support him) he demonstrates a lot of compassion and leadership qualities. class blockquote CantGetEnough responded:
I don't know.... there's something about him that rubbed me the wrong way. He may be knowledgeable, but I felt like he answered the way he knew would impress the women.Me, too. I definitely thought he was just a little too slick. I would trust him about as far as I could throw him. If he was supposed to be only 11-years old in that scene, I'd be even more wary about who's schooling him.
On the other hand, the other guy strikes me in a very negative way, too—just in the opposite direction personality-wise. He's too sly. (Ever try to hold down a wet watermelon seed with your thumb?)
Nice scenes between Atsu and the Shogun. I feel a lot of empathy for him, whether or not he's a certifiable "fool." Going through life alone in a crowd is an unbearably terrible life sentence. Playing games together is relaxing for both of them, while providing a comfortable, effective platform for each to both open up more and to score their points—in more ways than one.
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7/21/2008, 4:27 pm
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I decided to go ahead and watch the scenes with Tokugawa Yo****omi again, just to see if I can catch something that I didn't with the original viewing. The first thing I noticed was his age. For the age of eleven, Yo****omi seemed too mature, dignified, and alert. Something is definitely amiss. I remember the early episodes when Atsu and Naogoro were around that age back in Satsuma. Though they were raised well and were also rather mature for their age, the two of them at least displayed some child-like emotions. Yo****omi acts like he is much older.
The women of the Ooku seem to be enchanted with Yo****omi. Lady Honjuin and Takiyama both are rampant supporters of Yo****omi. I think the only one now who still supports Yoshinobu is Ikushima, who is simply "following Nariakira's orders" (as she puts it). My favorite scene in the last episode was when Atsu was chit-chatting with Yo****omi. It was hilarious because Ikushima was glaring at Yo****omi -- fuming at the possibility of Atsu being warmer to him than she was to Yoshinobu.
Atsu sure is a pinch. I wonder what decision she will make.
Peg, comparing the dramas with the history is also my favorite thing about the taiga dramas (especially when they cover a modern period like this one, and when photographs are available too). I'm glad that certain periods covered in the taigas inspire lots of books and new research in Japan. I was at the Little Tokyo Kinokuniya and bought a history book (with pictures) of the history of Satsuma up to the modern period. I read that it was inspired by Atsu-hime. Its great that new discoveries are being made in Japanese history because of the taiga dramas.
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7/22/2008, 5:15 am
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I wonder how this taiga will go for the remaining episodes. In real life Atsuhime gets to be the 'Boss' of the O'ooku. However right now in the drama she is far from that position. The Shogun will have to die and his mother also I would think. I have forgotten the name of the younger woman who was a bit cold to Atsu when she arrived , but she also would have to step down I think.
The real Atsu was a very strong person as well as being intelligent. It is wonderful how she can influence the outside world from the enclosed palace of the women.
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7/22/2008, 11:04 am
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