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Atsu-hime - Episode #41
The Satsuma-Choshu Alliance
 
I thought last night's episode was excellent. There were quite a few sad and emotional scenes, but it was also interesting to see the pivotal role that Naogoro and Sakamoto Ryoma played in crafting the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu. The two clans had just battled it out in Kyoto an episode or two ago (during the Hamaguri Rebellion), so it must have been a very difficult task for Naogoro and Ryoma to create the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu. Saigo and Okubo did their best, too.
I think the reason Choshu was so being so reluctant in joining forces with Satsuma was because they didn't want to feel indebted to Satsuma in any way. Ryoma is sure an interesting character, and rather politically adept as well. He was the one who came up with the great idea of "trading" resources in exchange for an alliance - Satsuma would purchase guns and weapons from England for Choshu, while Choshu gave Satsuma extra rice. In the end, Ryoma and Naogoro finally were successful in forming the Satsuma-Choshu alliance against the Tokugawa. I wonder, are the Tokugawa aware of the alliance? During that last cliffhanger of a scene, the Tokugawa police barged into Ryoma's room to try to arrest him. All we saw was Ryoma shoot at them -- and that was that. I wonder if the reason the Tokugawa came to arrest Ryoma was because they became aware of the alliance and came to arrest him for being the one to bring the two clans together? I guess the writers wanted to leave us a cliffhanger!
Okoto is back! Now she has quit her job as a geisha and has decided to live her life with Naogoro in his residence. I was surprised upon her curt response when Naogoro protested and said he had a wife in Satsuma. Her take on it was that Naogoro's "business" in Satsuma was separate from his life in Kyoto. Now that she's quit her job as a geisha, she's pretty much driven Naogoro into a wall. Knowing Naogoro, he won't be able to turn her away onto the street. I think Okoto took advantage of that fact and is now "living" with Naogoro in his residence.
We also met Oryo, Ryoma's wife. She seems like a rather quiet but interesting character, so I hope we find out more about her and also about her relationship with Ryoma. I wonder, how did Oryo become acquainted with Okoto? Okoto was the one who introduced Oryo to Saigo, Okubo, and Naogoro, so were they perhaps friends or acquaintances?
Back in Satsuma...
Hisamitsu didn't seem too happy about Naogoro's decision to become closer with Choshu. What's interesting is that Naogoro, Okubo, and Saigo are taking charge of handling Satsuma's political administration. They're sort of keeping Hisamitsu out of the loop and are telling him of the events after the fact. It seems that Satsuma's official "policy" is to keep the alliance with Choshu a secret. Since the Tokugawa are going to war with Choshu (and will probably ask Satsuma to commit troops), Naogoro mentioned during the episode to Okubo that Satsuma will stay true to their alliance with Choshu and refuse to commit troops. I'm still waiting to see whether or not the Tokugawa are aware of this major alliance, though -- and also how everything turns out.
It looks like Shogun Iemochi left Edo and is on his way to subdue the Choshu. He also told Tenshoin that he has decided on his heir -- Tayasu Kamenosuke, still 3 years old. He's in Osaka Castle with Yoshinobu, preparing for the invasion of Choshu (who has been named as an imperial rebel). Kazunomiya is truly going through a difficult time, emotionally. Not only does she have to deal with the anxiety of Iemochi going to battle, but she also had to witness her mother, Lady Kangyoin, pass away. The scene of Lady Kangyouin passing away must have been one of the saddest scenes I've seen in a taiga drama. Kangyoin was Kazunomiya's main emotional support. Now with her mother's death and Iemochi's departure, Kazunomiya must feel even more lonely. No wonder she is usually seen sadly gazing at her picture with Iemochi.
Tenshoin's "get-well present" to Kangyoin was beautiful, though. That music is the "court music" of Kyoto, so Kangyoin must have truly enjoyed hearing it. That must be why she thanked Tenshoin for letting her go with such a piece of mind. I wonder what the cause of death was for Lady Kangyoin. It seemed to be a very sudden illness, since she only became bedridden in this episode.
We also heard that Katsu is under house arrest (probably because he was involved with Ryoma and Choshu). He was the one who gave Tenshoin that valuable information about Satsuma and Choshu's alliance though... and that seems to be Tenshoin's main worry at the moment. She's also concerned about not hearing from Shogun Iemochi ever since he left for battle. Since Tenshoin smiled at Iemochi as he left for battle (per his request), Kazunomiya is even more angry at her, especially since Kazunomiya didn't know about Iemochi's request for Tenshoin to send him off to battle with a smile.
We're now in early 1866, and Tenshoin has learned of the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu, orchestrated by Ryoma and Naogoro. I wonder if the Tokugawa have found out? This drama is getting very good... Episode 42 airs next Saturday! (11/29)
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class blockquote Hiroshi66 wrote:
Atsu-hime - Episode #41
The Satsuma-Choshu Alliance
I thought last night's episode was excellent. There were quite a few sad and emotional scenes, but it was also interesting to see the pivotal role that Naogoro and Sakamoto Ryoma played in crafting the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu. The two clans had just battled it out in Kyoto an episode or two ago (during the Hamaguri Rebellion), so it must have been a very difficult task for Naogoro and Ryoma to create the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu. Saigo and Okubo did their best, too.
I think the reason Choshu was so being so reluctant in joining forces with Satsuma was because they didn't want to feel indebted to Satsuma in any way. Ryoma is sure an interesting character, and rather politically adept as well. He was the one who came up with the great idea of "trading" resources in exchange for an alliance - Satsuma would purchase guns and weapons from England for Choshu, while Choshu gave Satsuma extra rice. In the end, Ryoma and Naogoro finally were successful in forming the Satsuma-Choshu alliance against the Tokugawa. I wonder, are the Tokugawa aware of the alliance? During that last cliffhanger of a scene, the Tokugawa police barged into Ryoma's room to try to arrest him. All we saw was Ryoma shoot at them -- and that was that. I wonder if the reason the Tokugawa came to arrest Ryoma was because they became aware of the alliance and came to arrest him for being the one to bring the two clans together? I guess the writers wanted to leave us a cliffhanger!
Okoto is back! Now she has quit her job as a geisha and has decided to live her life with Naogoro in his residence. I was surprised upon her curt response when Naogoro protested and said he had a wife in Satsuma. Her take on it was that Naogoro's "business" in Satsuma was separate from his life in Kyoto. Now that she's quit her job as a geisha, she's pretty much driven Naogoro into a wall. Knowing Naogoro, he won't be able to turn her away onto the street. I think Okoto took advantage of that fact and is now "living" with Naogoro in his residence.
We also met Oryo, Ryoma's wife. She seems like a rather quiet but interesting character, so I hope we find out more about her and also about her relationship with Ryoma. I wonder, how did Oryo become acquainted with Okoto? Okoto was the one who introduced Oryo to Saigo, Okubo, and Naogoro, so were they perhaps friends or acquaintances?
Back in Satsuma...
Hisamitsu didn't seem too happy about Naogoro's decision to become closer with Choshu. What's interesting is that Naogoro, Okubo, and Saigo are taking charge of handling Satsuma's political administration. They're sort of keeping Hisamitsu out of the loop and are telling him of the events after the fact. It seems that Satsuma's official "policy" is to keep the alliance with Choshu a secret. Since the Tokugawa are going to war with Choshu (and will probably ask Satsuma to commit troops), Naogoro mentioned during the episode to Okubo that Satsuma will stay true to their alliance with Choshu and refuse to commit troops. I'm still waiting to see whether or not the Tokugawa are aware of this major alliance, though -- and also how everything turns out.
It looks like Shogun Iemochi left Edo and is on his way to subdue the Choshu. He also told Tenshoin that he has decided on his heir -- Tayasu Kamenosuke, still 3 years old. He's in Osaka Castle with Yoshinobu, preparing for the invasion of Choshu (who has been named as an imperial rebel). Kazunomiya is truly going through a difficult time, emotionally. Not only does she have to deal with the anxiety of Iemochi going to battle, but she also had to witness her mother, Lady Kangyoin, pass away. The scene of Lady Kangyouin passing away must have been one of the saddest scenes I've seen in a taiga drama. Kangyoin was Kazunomiya's main emotional support. Now with her mother's death and Iemochi's departure, Kazunomiya must feel even more lonely. No wonder she is usually seen sadly gazing at her picture with Iemochi.
Tenshoin's "get-well present" to Kangyoin was beautiful, though. That music is the "court music" of Kyoto, so Kangyoin must have truly enjoyed hearing it. That must be why she thanked Tenshoin for letting her go with such a piece of mind. I wonder what the cause of death was for Lady Kangyoin. It seemed to be a very sudden illness, since she only became bedridden in this episode.
We also heard that Katsu is under house arrest (probably because he was involved with Ryoma and Choshu). He was the one who gave Tenshoin that valuable information about Satsuma and Choshu's alliance though... and that seems to be Tenshoin's main worry at the moment. She's also concerned about not hearing from Shogun Iemochi ever since he left for battle. Since Tenshoin smiled at Iemochi as he left for battle (per his request), Kazunomiya is even more angry at her, especially since Kazunomiya didn't know about Iemochi's request for Tenshoin to send him off to battle with a smile.
We're now in early 1866, and Tenshoin has learned of the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu, orchestrated by Ryoma and Naogoro. I wonder if the Tokugawa have found out? This drama is getting very good... Episode 42 airs next Saturday! (11/29)hee! hee! this reminds of the drama "shinsengumi" when kondo isami had the same problem naogoro had. kondo san had a wife(tsune in edo, i think and had a retired geisha in kyoto). like okoto says his business was separate. they have not got to the point that oshika had not visited naogoro yet. wouldn't that be funny!!!!!
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I liked this episode but I think Shinsengumi! did a better job portraying how the Satsuma-Choshu alliance was formed. Ryoma Sakamoto really put his life on the line to negotiate this alliance. You don't really get that sense of danger watching this show.
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11/26/2008, 5:49 pm
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Re: J-Drama: 篤姫 (Atsu-hime)
class blockquote Hiroshi66 wrote:
Atsu-hime - Episode #41
The Satsuma-Choshu Alliance
I thought last night's episode was excellent. There were quite a few sad and emotional scenes, but it was also interesting to see the pivotal role that Naogoro and Sakamoto Ryoma played in crafting the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu. The two clans had just battled it out in Kyoto an episode or two ago (during the Hamaguri Rebellion), so it must have been a very difficult task for Naogoro and Ryoma to create the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu. Saigo and Okubo did their best, too.
I think the reason Choshu was so being so reluctant in joining forces with Satsuma was because they didn't want to feel indebted to Satsuma in any way. Ryoma is sure an interesting character, and rather politically adept as well. He was the one who came up with the great idea of "trading" resources in exchange for an alliance - Satsuma would purchase guns and weapons from England for Choshu, while Choshu gave Satsuma extra rice. In the end, Ryoma and Naogoro finally were successful in forming the Satsuma-Choshu alliance against the Tokugawa. I wonder, are the Tokugawa aware of the alliance? During that last cliffhanger of a scene, the Tokugawa police barged into Ryoma's room to try to arrest him. All we saw was Ryoma shoot at them -- and that was that. I wonder if the reason the Tokugawa came to arrest Ryoma was because they became aware of the alliance and came to arrest him for being the one to bring the two clans together? I guess the writers wanted to leave us a cliffhanger!
Okoto is back! Now she has quit her job as a geisha and has decided to live her life with Naogoro in his residence. I was surprised upon her curt response when Naogoro protested and said he had a wife in Satsuma. Her take on it was that Naogoro's "business" in Satsuma was separate from his life in Kyoto. Now that she's quit her job as a geisha, she's pretty much driven Naogoro into a wall. Knowing Naogoro, he won't be able to turn her away onto the street. I think Okoto took advantage of that fact and is now "living" with Naogoro in his residence.
We also met Oryo, Ryoma's wife. She seems like a rather quiet but interesting character, so I hope we find out more about her and also about her relationship with Ryoma. I wonder, how did Oryo become acquainted with Okoto? Okoto was the one who introduced Oryo to Saigo, Okubo, and Naogoro, so were they perhaps friends or acquaintances?
Back in Satsuma...
Hisamitsu didn't seem too happy about Naogoro's decision to become closer with Choshu. What's interesting is that Naogoro, Okubo, and Saigo are taking charge of handling Satsuma's political administration. They're sort of keeping Hisamitsu out of the loop and are telling him of the events after the fact. It seems that Satsuma's official "policy" is to keep the alliance with Choshu a secret. Since the Tokugawa are going to war with Choshu (and will probably ask Satsuma to commit troops), Naogoro mentioned during the episode to Okubo that Satsuma will stay true to their alliance with Choshu and refuse to commit troops. I'm still waiting to see whether or not the Tokugawa are aware of this major alliance, though -- and also how everything turns out.
It looks like Shogun Iemochi left Edo and is on his way to subdue the Choshu. He also told Tenshoin that he has decided on his heir -- Tayasu Kamenosuke, still 3 years old. He's in Osaka Castle with Yoshinobu, preparing for the invasion of Choshu (who has been named as an imperial rebel). Kazunomiya is truly going through a difficult time, emotionally. Not only does she have to deal with the anxiety of Iemochi going to battle, but she also had to witness her mother, Lady Kangyoin, pass away. The scene of Lady Kangyouin passing away must have been one of the saddest scenes I've seen in a taiga drama. Kangyoin was Kazunomiya's main emotional support. Now with her mother's death and Iemochi's departure, Kazunomiya must feel even more lonely. No wonder she is usually seen sadly gazing at her picture with Iemochi.
Tenshoin's "get-well present" to Kangyoin was beautiful, though. That music is the "court music" of Kyoto, so Kangyoin must have truly enjoyed hearing it. That must be why she thanked Tenshoin for letting her go with such a piece of mind. I wonder what the cause of death was for Lady Kangyoin. It seemed to be a very sudden illness, since she only became bedridden in this episode.
We also heard that Katsu is under house arrest (probably because he was involved with Ryoma and Choshu). He was the one who gave Tenshoin that valuable information about Satsuma and Choshu's alliance though... and that seems to be Tenshoin's main worry at the moment. She's also concerned about not hearing from Shogun Iemochi ever since he left for battle. Since Tenshoin smiled at Iemochi as he left for battle (per his request), Kazunomiya is even more angry at her, especially since Kazunomiya didn't know about Iemochi's request for Tenshoin to send him off to battle with a smile.
We're now in early 1866, and Tenshoin has learned of the alliance between Satsuma and Choshu, orchestrated by Ryoma and Naogoro. I wonder if the Tokugawa have found out? This drama is getting very good... Episode 42 airs next Saturday! (11/29)i found out about next week's episode and..........
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11/26/2008, 8:31 pm
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Hiroshi.
Great photo. Notice his boots...like the ones he wears in Atsuhime. Date must be fairly late in the century.
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I think if Sakamoto would have been from Satsuma or Choshu that alliance would have never worked. Because he had nothing to personally gain from the alliance he was able to mediate it.
Some of you may remember the 2006 taiga Kyomyo Ga Tsuji. The Yamauchi clan (Kazutoyo and Chiyo) was the one that was in charge of Tosa. Apparently their descendants really mistreated the lower class samurai. They weren't allowed to wear shoes or have an umbrella when it rained amongst other things. Sakamoto would have felt the sting of prejudice and discrimination from a young age. I think that's why he was so passionate about trying to reform the country.
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