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Re: Water supply in the country side
Hi gecko,
I don't know about permits, but if you start messing with mizou irrigation water out of the growing season, you'd have to put it too everyone who draws from that water, for approval. If you draw from it during it's seasonal flow, say from March to October, you'd probably still have to ask all the locals involved. If you were to draw from a river or stream and return it directly, say run 100m. of pipe from upriver to your land and back again at a lower elevation, you could probably do it don't ask don't tell. Anyone ever tapped into any flowing water?
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Thanks John. I guessed water could be a sensitive topic, especially growing rice, guess it is everywhere. So whats the distinction between "mizou irrigation water" and a stream or creek running past your place? Are they one and the same?
I guess most people without 'town' water are using wells, and not drawing direct from a stream? Still, would be interested to know what can/can't be done there. What's the common approach for watering a veggie patch? (In Oz the options are - Store rain water in a tank, draw water from a bore/well, pump water from a stream if you have access.)
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Hi gecko,
To give an example of a mizou in my area here's some pics. We are at the very top of the mizou.
Looking North. Here's the mizou being diverted from the river in the background.
This is opened by the locals from about March. The flow is kept low until April or May when the paddys will be flooded.
Looking South. Here most of the water is being directed back to the river, a small amount is allowed to flow straight for now.
Here the mizou flows down to the fields. Would love to put a micro hydro systme right here but don't know if they'd let me run the water out of season. You can see the trickle it is now, good for washing veggies etc. I pull water out of here by bucket for the garden. Could put in an electric pump if needed. Lost my first good turbine here after a storm.
That's what its like here. In other, flatter, areas the water may be pumped out of a river from a pumphouse and into a large 1 meter wide 2 meter deep irrigation channel.
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Wow, great set of pictures John. This makes it much clearer and easier to understand. So they tap into the river source upstream of the fields, and bring it down via the channels you see so often in the county side. The flow volume looks pretty good up to where its diverted back to the river in the second photo. You couldn't put in a micro-hydro unit between photos 1 and 2, just before the diverter? You would still end up with the same volume of water exiting at the diversion point, and if that's your place in the background, its only a short feed to get the power to the house. (I really love where your house is located!!! Its just awesome!)
The main issue for the farmers is not loosing flow during field irrigation time, which would not be affected at all. You may even be able to beef up the in-flow a bit to drive the micro-hydro unit, and then split the flow so the same volume returns to the mizou when needed for irrigation, and the rest returns to the river. Would require a little more earth works and concrete, but not much. Most of the hard work is already done. It seems to me you have an almost perfect spot here, I'm dead envious! Not much head, but a good flow rate, think it would still work fine.
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Yeah JohnE,
Great pics of the waterworks there around your lot. Now I know why you've metioned water wheels before. You've got a sweet looking set up there !
DataGecko,
Anywhere around where there's fields to be flooded, seems me like drawing water from a river or even the turning of a spigot from the closest source, is always a community endevour. In our community there's this guy who has been openin' the same spigot for over 30 years. It's like his life-job.
I remember last year, at the end of May, he was sick on the day that he was supposed to open the spigot to flood our fields. Guess what, we didn't get to plant rice that day.
Going it alone: I've got a relative who lives in the satoyama at woods edge. Looks something similar to JohnE's place. Anyway, my relative draws water from a small river. There's a couple black pipes running along the ground are exposed in the winter, but come spring they're under the vegatation.
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Hi gecko and Ken,
Glad you liked the pics and great advice on the setup. The mizou and the river are conveniently close, but yet so far. That part where the river is diverted back is someone else's land. I agree that is the best place, but it could be a problem. More than likely the owner is an old timer who would say, micro-who? I'd still have to use the mizou and the private land. The concrete mizou itself is town land as is the river and bank. The city is surveying all lands so hopefully I can meet the owner when they get around to our area.
The other angle is to run more pipe from upriver to the lowest point on my land (east) bordering the riverbank, not the mizou and return the water to the river. That, I feel would keep things quiet, but the piping would be more expensive as would the outflow setup.
I'm not giving up on either idea yet. Did I tell you about the wind at my place?
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So how windy is it. 
You can't buy that little corner of land off the owner can you? Is that sort of thing possible, to slice off a piece of an existing plot to sell to a neighbour? It happens here sometimes when boundaries need adjusting, but the paperwork is a bit of a pain.
There is no issue of water taken via a pipe freezing in winter?
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Hi gecko,
That would be ideal, to buy that parcel of land. Often the fees for such land transactions cost more than the land itself. I would say that part is not worth much, a few thousand dollars. Again I'd have to look at the maps in town hall. When they survey around here I will check with the owner though. I did ask a different owner of wooded land bordering my place. He has no access to his land but has to cross mine to get to his. He wasn't interested.Too bad.
I don't know if pipe freezing would be that bad. The coldest I've ever seen it here is minus 8. But normally the worst of February mornings is -5 or above. The river and banks don't ice up. Something to research more on.
The wind here is pretty good. Not high average wind speed, but sustained enough to make power I'm sure.
Thanks for the input, gives me lots to look into
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