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Re: Testing Dawk's MTC
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KB, passive devices DO NOT BOOST! do a google, they only cut and filter frequencies.
stop deluding yourself.
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so what exactly does the 2nd circuit in the RBTC do then?
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11/10/2009, 7:37
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Beat frequency oscillation and how one applies that concept with regard to an electric guitar circuit has NOTHING to do with the AIWA or any other tape deck! I am stopping you now, before you make a fool of yourselves. Read my post again.
There is some confused thinking at work here. It is this non comprehension of posts and the abuse that seems to follow, deters me from posting on this forum.
Have not checked out forum for a long time. Sadly, I bid you all adieu. Might see you next year.
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Klammer Agreed, however that BFO, as you say is NOT what I 'm talking about. That's perhaps why I didn't call it BFO, but used the term frequency oscillation alone! Your comment reminded me it might be relevant to the discussion, so sorry if I/we have offended your precise technial definition. Thanks for the BFO suggestion though, it's also got to be worth looking at for new ideas.
The effect I mean is akin( may share some properties with, but is not the same as) to LFO and is not a "circuit in the guitar" nor ever applied that way that I know of. Here's a bit about actual LFO LFO which differs from what I'm talkign about.
The effect I mean, is also not LFO entirely either, but it is certainly a form of low/mid frequency oscillation. Perhaps it's an accidential effect, perhaps intentional, however it's there and it works and Blackmore used it, or the principals of it, to drive his sound and you won't recreate it with a pedal or an RBTC/MTC you need the tape deck or simialr device to do it.
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KB, passive devices DO NOT BOOST! do a google, they only cut and filter frequencies.
stop deluding yourself.
You may be right, but to me it sounds like my signal is slightly boosted when I use the RBTC. It's louder than when I'm not using it, and the sound breaks up much earlier than when I'm not using it. That's some kind of boosting to me  Even my tech asked me if I had a booster in my guitar. He thought it was a active device, and was very surprised when I told him it was passive. It may not be the correct technical term to call it boost, but in lack of better words....
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LFOs are somtheing that impact on a tone alreay there.You normally attach it to some type of change to the noise generated. Whether it be pitch, volume or a filter. You can speed it up or slow it down.
1/ pitch - sounds likes a siren
2/ volume - sounds like a tremelo
3/ sounds a bit like an automatic wah wah
I have played around with LFOs a lot, when making electronic music. It is a standard feature on analog sytle synths
Im struggling to get my head around how that kind of osscilation can impact on the overdriven sound of a guitar, when overdriven by a tape deck pre-amp. I have heard this mentioned before. I didnt understand it then either. Would appreciate having it explained.
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LFOs are somtheing that impact on a tone alreay there.You normally attach it to some type of change to the noise generated. Whether it be pitch, volume or a filter. You can speed it up or slow it down.
1/ pitch - sounds likes a siren
2/ volume - sounds like a tremelo
3/ sounds a bit like an automatic wah wah
I have played around with LFOs a lot, when making electronic music. It is a standard feature on analog sytle synths
Im struggling to get my head around how that kind of osscilation can impact on the overdriven sound of a guitar, when overdriven by a tape deck pre-amp. I have heard this mentioned before. I didnt understand it then either. Would appreciate having it explained.
cheers
What did Klammer say, "think outside the box". We did, well some of us did, and he basically told us we were all just idiots!! I like guys like Klammer who clearly know they are intellectually superior to their audience, especially when they don't know their audience at all. It takes a certian "something" to do that! Always good for some amusement, so little wonder he doesn't post, probably offend his sensabilities toooooooo much. Where I come from they often say of people like this "all brains and no common sense"! SO............
Yes Creamstrat you will have heard this mentioned before, in dark circles, probably whispered so as not to attract too much attention. Does it work? Yes! Does it contribute to the Blackmore sound? Blackmore used it, as did several of the other top players who have a distinctive "signature" sound. So yes you've definately heard it before many times.
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Beat frequency oscillation and how one applies that concept with regard to an electric guitar circuit has NOTHING to do with the AIWA or any other tape deck! I am stopping you now, before you make a fool of yourselves. Read my post again.
There is some confused thinking at work here. It is this non comprehension of posts and the abuse that seems to follow, deters me from posting on this forum.
Have not checked out forum for a long time. Sadly, I bid you all adieu. Might see you next year.
Be good to yourselves and each other.
Take care, goodbye....blah blah....
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Great videos, Askhat!
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As long as you actually listen to the sound, instead of just taking MIJF's word for it (have you tested the MTC, btw?)!
Read my previous posts commenting on the soundclips Creamstrat and Stratman70 has made. As I said, the MTC do make a difference, but the difference is very similar to a treble bleed. Even Dawk has called it a "halicaster treble bleed". In fact, I think I used the words "treble bleed" before mijf used it here at the forum, after those soundclips got posted!?!
If you read Stratman70s last post, you can see for yourself his comment on the effect from the MTC when the guitar is plugged in front of a PC. It gives a slight boost, and not much more. If that's worth $350...OK! Wouldn't it be much smarter to install a treble bleed yourself at a cost of maybe $5?
Funny thing, after those soundclips came along it seems the Dawkforum has died. Why not post those soundclips over at his forum? At least he can use it as proof that the MTC make a subtle difference.
In a classic thread you wrote to another poster: "Well then, don't judge the RBTC before you've tried it."
Doesn't the same apply to the MTC and you?
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Doesn't the same apply to the MTC and you?
No!
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I have an RBTC, which is great for making the guitar sound fat when the volume is reduced. For extra 'zing', which it would appear the MTC may offer, I have a Boss EH2 Enhancer, which sounds great with a bit of delay for those Cal Jam Mistreated type sounds. I also use a Mesa Lonestar Special, which can give some nice early Blackmore sounds, particulaly using the neck pick up. The Lonestar special is an EL84 amp and makes one believe that RB probably did use AC30s more than he lets on.
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