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Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
Something for all ya'll units and Eryndor members to think about...
... how is Eryndor going to roll during chapter battles at Ragnarok?
Clearly, since we're in a unit model, it only makes sense each unit will work amongst itself... and then we all need to figure out the general strategy we'll collectively deploy so that each units efforts are complimenting the efforts of the other units.
Some of us chatted for a bit about some ideas, and I think each of the units have a fighting style that can really compliment and support the best attributes of other fighting units.
I guess the only thing we need to keep in mind is the "Eryndor Rule" of Ragnarok chapter battles:
(1) We don't just sit on the sideline and let half the field kill itself so we have a better chance of winning. That would make us douchnozzles. If we win, it'll be becuase we slaughtered hundreds of our enemies, if we lose, it'll be becuase we had the cahones to get out there and bust some heads.
Also, I thought last year's 'meta-strategy' of: "stand there for 20 seconds to see if any armies are marching at us... if so, we go mow them down. If not, we pick a side, and just keep heading that way fighting through anyone who stands in our way. rinse, wash, repeat." Any other thoughts?
I have an entire plan in my head that I think is very simple to deploy, and would be very efective, but I was curious if other people have already been thinking about this as well.
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4/18/2008, 2:46 pm
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
You use the term meta-____ more than any other person I know Athron.
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4/18/2008, 5:12 pm
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
The way we did things last year was a good way for us to learn each others fighting styles, and stay together as a whole. I like how we did things, and I think we should try to keep it that way. However, I am always up for ideas.
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4/18/2008, 6:44 pm
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
Unit members tend to practice and fight with their own unit. Because of this a lot of the units fight best with themselves. I think that the best course of action is to use each unit for what they are best at. Imperial Guard and Warband forming the main "shield wall" with LoL filling in the gaps or perhaps even counter-flank while the Senegal go off and do the whole flanking thing.
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
Ok, here is an idea going along with how things used to be.
Earth: Warband
Water: Imperial Guard
Fire: Senegal's
Wind: a very small force of Legacy
All of those remaining of the Legacy will fill in the gaps of Earth.
Huh? Do you like it? Do you REALLY?
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
Maybe. I don't know if you can really squish Warband into a single mold like that though. While nearly all of us can shield wall it up, many of us are far more effective as flankers.
I don't think trying to use the element format will really work that way. Look at the numbers difference we would have compared to what it was ideally when we used the elements. Warband is not really big enough to hold down "earth" by itself, or even with some Legacy. The Senegal's Finest is a rather large unit, and many of it's members are entirely built for "wind" type activities. Imperial Guard is pretty much huge, and while they do hold the fighting style tendencies of "water", the percentage of people would be off.
Let me put it this way, the very concept of the Warband is that we can fill in wherever we are needed. Be it shield wall, flanking, or whatever. There should be an honest to goodness discussion on how we want to do this. Perhaps it should be formed more into flanks, ie a center, a left and a right. All three having some shield wallers, some flankers, some misc.
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
Mayhaps we can leave the line fighting to the IG and the line legacy, the flanks split either side for Senegals, and the Warband working the rear and falling in wherever needed?
Such as " Right flank faltering. " Bam, warband reinforces.
or "Center wall penetrated." Bam, Rathis and a few step up to fill in the gap.
I know that leaves you guys waiting for when something falls, but, I would completely trust the warband to use their discresion in these sorts of situations.
and since you all usually sit for a moment, while the tactical leader Haldour takes in the formations of other teams and how they're going to clash in retrospect to your team. . . I think it would be a good thing to have the warband play 'fill in the blanks as men fall'. Like a relief unit.
I don't want that to sound offensive, but that's usually how I see you guys fight it out in unit battles, and I think that would be an effective strategy for a relief unit.
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
There does need to be consideration on the whole one unit =/= one style. For example the Senegal hav both Red Jack and Garwyn. I could not think of any two styles more different. So I suppose I should post-face (opposite of preface?) my comment with the idea that people would naturally move with the ebb and flow of how they fight. Obviouslty someone like Javin or Garwyn is going to move more towards the shield wall aspect when cmopared to someone like myself or Red Jack. Just my two dinars. Well I guess since this is my third post that would be my six dinars.
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
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There does need to be consideration on the whole one unit =/= one style. For example the Senegal hav both Red Jack and Garwyn. I could not think of any two styles more different. So I suppose I should post-face (opposite of preface?) my comment with the idea that people would naturally move with the ebb and flow of how they fight. Obviouslty someone like Javin or Garwyn is going to move more towards the shield wall aspect when cmopared to someone like myself or Red Jack. Just my two dinars. Well I guess since this is my third post that would be my six dinars.
Good point, but I *think* this still works in principal. When you guys flank left, you still have people like Garwyn and the like not flanking quite as hard, creating an anchor point for which the rest of the more fleet-footed folk can pivot around.
Or for the IG, who has line-devastating madness with those spears, they still have tons of use for 'skirmishers' in the IG who pick up those pesky 3 or 4 members from other units who draw off from the main pack (the Gestigueste really come to mind for this... they always have 3 or 4 guys who fly way off from the main group, any of our 'line fighters' in the IG could use people to pick these folks up).
The thing I guess I'm suggesting is that we are all clear on the main fighting intentions of each unit, and we understand those styles and expect to work in concert. For example:
A GOOD scenario: Senegal flank left, and start to surround Rome. At the same time, IG steps straight up into Rom's main line and goes to work with their spear devastation. The Senegal collapse into Rome, smoking them from the side, which only makes it easier for the IG to wreck hell with their spears. The Warband and Legacy, int he meantime, were just off the main line of fighting, and Haldour screams to us that the Dark Angels are moving right up behind on the IG. We were able to pick them up and fight them off until Rome is crushed, and then the Senegal and IG wheel around and bring the thunder down on the DA as well.
A BAD scenario: Senegal flank left, heading over to Rome. IG march up on Rome as well. However, the Senegal pick off a few Romans, but keep flanking and eventually pick up a tough battle against Albion. Meanwhile, the IG is now only fighting Rome, striuctly from the front, and Rome is able to give a much bigger run for the money. In the meantime, the Legacy went all ADD on everyone, and we scattered across the field, fighting random individual battles against units of 2 & 3 members. The Warband, also meanwhile, went ot help support Rome, but they saw the Gestigueste sorta moving Rome's way, so they scampered off to pick a fight with them. In short, each Eryndor unit is fighting its own battle, with no forces efforts aiding the efforts of each other.
In the good scenario, each unit still did its own thing, but with the mentality of making sure "their thing" was also helping the Eryndor cause as a whole. In the latter scenario, each unit did what it naturally did best, but since there was no broad sense of what each group was going to do to support each other, we find ourselves scattered and much less potent than we otherwise would have been. And perhaps the biggest point of all was that the "good" scenario didn't require some elaborate, 5-star general strategic military planning, all it took was each unit to know "hey, we'll do this, you try to do that, and we'll try our best to always make sure we're helping each other out"
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Re: Eryndor fighting in chapter battles...
I think that is the perfect strategy for this chapter. We have tried, in the past, to over structure things. In all honesty I can't think of a better use of our efforts.
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