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Illegal Aliens declare war on the US
Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal Mexican at a protest march in
Texas.
This is good! Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of
circular logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your adversary, just
saying what you think makes a new case when the previous case gets too difficult to defend.
Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station on the streets of downtown
Houston on
May 1, 2006:
Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are marching
in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your cause
and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest?
Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We
will bring Houston to its knees!
Jim: What rights?
Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the
benefits you get.
Jim: When did you come to the United States?
Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven
other friends.
Jim: Why did you come?
Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in
Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to
school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will
have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!
Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you
came?
Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a
right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green
Cards.
Jim: How did you acquire those documents?
Juan: From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money, too.
Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?
Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.
Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?
Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read
it!
Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about
rights for Aliens.
Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights,
like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came
here.
Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and
that document speaks to unalienable rights. Not Alien rights.
Juan: Whatever.
Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then
are you carrying a Mexican Flag?
Juan: Because I am Mexican.
Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty ... to become a US
citizen.
Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of
Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its rightful
owner.
Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with Mexico,
Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA. It was
not stolen from Mexico.
Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, New
Mexico and Arizona. It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos steal,
like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.
Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?
Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over
the pl ace. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans
out. How is this fair?
Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.
Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and
speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's another
thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in Spanish.
Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston
will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!
Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper
documentation, what rights would I have there?
Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.
Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live
wherever they please.
Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want
Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico. Why
would you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service, schools,
or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own land in
my country. Stay in the country of your birth.
Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue.
Thank you for your comments.
Juan: Viva Mexico!
In the event that you are unaware of what is happening in Texas, illegal aliens have ‘declared war’ on the USA for not recognizing their ‘illegal status’ as citizens and demand that the US do so immediately so they can take advantage of the medical and other benefits available to our legal citizens. This comes on the heels of several contractors losing lucrative bids to contractors only hiring illegals.
Amnesty
Giving legal resident status to illegal aliens in 1986 had these effects:
The amnesty set off a rush of new illegal entry and encouraged others not to leave at the end of their authorized stay.
In the first ten years after its enactment, the amnesty cost the American taxpayer $78.7 billion in net direct and indirect expenses. Additional costs continue to accrue.
It sent a message abroad that the United States was incapable of—or disinterested in—enforcing its immigration law and established the hope for others that they might gain legal residence by illegal entry or visa overstay.
Nearly three million illegal aliens, most of whom were poorly educated and poorly skilled were made eligible for sponsoring a new flow of immigrants. These further immigrants generally arrive with a similar lack of qualifications to participate fully in our high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy. Thus, they contribute to our society's seriously growing income inequality and shrinking middle class.
It established the permanent right of these aliens to stay in the United States and receive benefits like other legal immigrants regardless of whether there was a need for their labor.
The size of the amnesty was so large that the Immigration and Naturalization Service was swamped by so much work that it could not adequately screen out undesirable aliens and ones who did not qualify for the amnesty.
The INS estimates there are now six million illegal residents, but acknowledges that the number may be significantly higher. Researchers working with the 2000 Census results believe the illegal alien population may be as large as eleven million, and Census Bureau officials agree that official estimate is too low. Since the 1986 amnesty wiped the slate clean for the bulk of the illegal alien population, the far larger illegal alien problem today is testimony to the fact that the 1986 amnesty weakened our ability to discourage illegal immigration.
Because the illegal alien situation today is so much worse than in 1986, the negative effects would be many times worse.
Guestworkers
Seasonal crop agricultural employers and some service sector employers have become so dependent on illegal alien workers that they are pushing for assured access to these workers through a program that would give their workers legal work status but not legal permanent residence. A new guestworker program, like the Bracero program for Mexican workers in the middle of the past century, would have the following negative consequences:
It would perpetuate the lowering of real wages in sectors where there are today large numbers of illegal aliens. Further foreign workers would push down wages and working conditions still further. Those hurt worst by the cheap labor competition are America's poorest workers, both U.S. citizens and legal residents.
The availability of a large supply of unskilled labor has undermined the incentive for employers to adopt modern mechanization and labor-saving innovations. As a result, our competitors abroad have moved ahead of us.
At the end of the Bracero program, the workers' experience working and living in the United States provided an opportunity for many of them to stay illegally rather than return to Mexico. With no effective system to deny jobs to illegal workers, a guestworker program for unskilled workers—who stand to lose enormous benefits if they return home—will only exacerbate the illegal alien problem, not supplant it.
Guestworker-Amnesty
The negative effects of both an amnesty and a new guestworker program are combined several current proposals (McCain/Kennedy and Cornyn/Kyl) to set up a program that allows illegal aliens to continue to work legally in the United States and then grants them legal permanent residence after a few years.
Amnesty from the Encyclopedia Britannica;
…in criminal law, sovereign act of oblivion or forgetfulness (from Greek amnesia) for past acts, granted by a government to persons who have been guilty of crimes. It is often conditional upon their return to obedience and duty within a prescribed period. Amnesty is granted usually for political crimes against the state, such as treason, sedition, or rebellion.
According to this definition, what are the illegal Mexicans guilty of?
--- Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats... -H.L. Mencken
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