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I think all we really need to decide is when does the tire become "NON-STOCK APPEARING".
I`m unsure of what the NHRA rule book says, but i can tell you my buddy races in a NMCA heads-up class that runs drag radials. They run those bad boy`s down further than us. So....
From a safety stand point Lanes rule idea will make sure we aren`t getting into danger territory.
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There must be some visible signs of grooves at the beginning of a race.
All grooves.
However when compared to the a front tire they still look bald.
Do they have wear bars? I haven't got the first set down that far yet.
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I feel that "all" the tread should be clearly visible. That truly is a "factory appearing" tire. The question is how much tread depth should there be? 
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Perspective from a "guy looking in from the outside". My friends and I went to the Lebanon Valley Event to see the FAST races. We were excited to see some stock looking muscle cars running really quick.
When we got there, two cars rolled out of the trailers with what appeared to be slicks. Both of my friends said "WTF!!, I thought these guys were running on factory bias ply tires". We moved in closer to take a better look, then seeing that the tires were either burned down or shaved. They then said "oh, so thats how they run so quick, cheater slicks".
This 1st impression made a big impact, likely to make the same impact on other first timers. What may be best for your ET may not be best for the "Factory Appearing Stock Tire" image you are trying to present.
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Perspective from a "guy looking in from the outside". My friends and I went to the Lebanon Valley Event to see the FAST races. We were excited to see some stock looking muscle cars running really quick.
When we got there, two cars rolled out of the trailers with what appeared to be slicks. Both of my friends said "WTF!!, I thought these guys were running on factory bias ply tires". We moved in closer to take a better look, then seeing that the tires were either burned down or shaved. They then said "oh, so thats how they run so quick, cheater slicks".
This 1st impression made a big impact, likely to make the same impact on other first timers. What may be best for your ET may not be best for the "Factory Appearing Stock Tire" image you are trying to present.
Just my thoughts
The above quote is the very reason we need a tire tread rule.
What good is a "stock tire" class if nobody thinks we run on stock tires?
Several years back, when FAST was in it's infancy, and I was on the FAST Board with Dave, Greg and Terry, there were many suggestions made to us about not being so strict on our rules. We even had pressure from a major sponsor to consider allowing DOT sticky's, to help attract more cars. We took alot of flack in those days, but we stuck to our guns. We knew that the totally stock appearance of the cars and the stock tires were what made these cars impressive to the public and gave the class it's head scratching mystique. It was our opinion that if we relaxed the rules, the class could easliy develop into an NMCA style 8 second club that would exclude the average Muscle car owner/amature racer who wanted to get into a fun, entry level race series. (like every other heads up race series has done) Because we stuck to the original program, F.A.S.T. has become a well know form of racing that lots of fans and racers love.
It dosen't really matter that much how deep the tread is, there just has to be enuff showing to make it very obvious that the tires are indeed stock.
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There must be some visible signs of grooves at the beginning of a race.
All grooves.
However when compared to the a front tire they still look bald.
Muscle car tires always been balder in the rear than the fronts thats how its supposed to be
 I have cut a bald G-70-15 open to check how thick it was at the end of last season.It was thicker than a new slick .If tubes are used I would have no problem running them for a lot of passes.I made 50 passes after hitting the wear bars before cutting the tire open.I carried the tire to most of the races for anyone to see. The tires realy dont work best untill they get near the wear bars.So if a strict tire tread rule is made your tires won't be prime for more than 2 or 3 races. I agree with Lane's assesment.Sissy tires don't get you down the track near as well if your a top 10 car.Some cars have lost 3/4 of a second going back to heavily treaded tires from tread challenged tires  .If you haven't run the near bald tires don't bad mouth them Id say you don't know what your bad mouthing yet or how much faster you could run with them.They are a prized possesion to most of the heavy hitters.
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I have cut a bald G-70-15 open to check how thick it was at the end of last season.It was thicker than a new slick .
So what do you propose Steve? Cut the tires and if the carcass doesn't meet a certain thickness spec it can't be used? 
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I have cut a bald G-70-15 open to check how thick it was at the end of last season.It was thicker than a new slick .
So what do you propose Steve? Cut the tires and if the carcass doesn't meet a certain thickness spec it can't be used?
You can try and run them that way .We will call them a Polish Polyglass. I was mearly stating that they are a lot thicker even after that many runs than people would think.
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Nah, us polacks aren't that smart. We just rotate 'em when they wear and replace 'em when they get to the indicators.
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