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Maybe this should be in Politics/Debates, but oh well. I doubt you care.

The other night I was having coffee with a friend, and we were talking about how it just doesn't make sense that our God, the Jesus that we know, would be as small as Christianity. It seems to me sometimes that we want God to be exclusive to us, but so does every other religon. Most Holy books will say something along the lines of "I am the way, and the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through me. [John 14:3, I think]." And they are passionate about it, and they feel God, and they devote their lives to their form of Him. Well so do we. So...if Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, and Christians alll believe in a God, and they all pray, and they all follow rules, and they all feel a passion for Him, then why are Christians the only ones that go to Heaven? Are Christians the only ones who go to Heaven? I don't know. I just...well, I feel like my God is bigger than we make Him out to be.

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Christianity is not about us. It's about God. I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. The word simply means follower of Christ. Are you saying you hope God is not a small as truth?

One the surface, the belief that all religions are equal/valid ways of getting to your desired end (Heaven, afterlife etc.) sounds like a very rosy, harmonious and tolerant view. But you said yourself every religion claims to have objective truth, thus this sort of postmodernism will not tolerate most major religions. The Qur'an has nearly 500 verses related to their belief that "There is no other way than Allah" and describing the eternal damnation of the unbeliever. If all paths lead to the top of the mountain, than Jesus died in vain.

Christianity, I firmly believe, is more than a set of rules and rituals set up by man. Some of the rules stem from the character of God and are the way we must live in order to become more like Christ. Some are to protect us, but none of them will get us to Heaven in lieu of God's saving grace. He judges the heart, not our actions so I would also not be surprised to men who, on earth, called themselves "Muslim" or "Hindi" merely because they'd never heard of anything else or did not have the opportunity. Maybe at the end of world they will also be presented fairly with the truth and given the chance to accept or reject. Maybe that's a heresy, but if I know anything about God’s character, I know He is fair and just.


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Christianity is not about us. It's about God. I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. The word simply means follower of Christ. Are you saying you hope God is not a small as truth?

One the surface, the belief that all religions are equal/valid ways of getting to your desired end (Heaven, afterlife etc.) sounds like a very rosy, harmonious and tolerant view. But you said yourself every religion claims to have objective truth, thus this sort of postmodernism will not tolerate most major religions. The Qur'an has nearly 500 verses related to their belief that "There is no other way than Allah" and describing the eternal damnation of the unbeliever. If all paths lead to the top of the mountain, than Jesus died in vain.

Christianity, I firmly believe, is more than a set of rules and rituals set up by man. Some of the rules stem from the character of God and are the way we must live in order to become more like Christ. Some are to protect us, but none of them will get us to Heaven in lieu of God's saving grace. He judges the heart, not our actions so I would also not be surprised to men who, on earth, called themselves "Muslim" or "Hindi" merely because they'd never heard of anything else or did not have the opportunity. Maybe at the end of world they will also be presented fairly with the truth and given the chance to accept or reject. Maybe that's a heresy, but if I know anything about God’s character, I know He is fair and just.



'Christianity is not about us. It's about God.'
I haven't done an enormous amount of studying other religons, but from what I have read, they can say the same thing.
To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what I'm getting at either. I guess I'm saying that I hope devout followers of other religons have not lived in vain. According to a few verses in the Bible, they have. But like you said, according to the Qur'an, we have. And so on and so forth. I don't know, I'm not exactly sure how to say what I'm trying to say. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I don't believe everything that my church tells me.

My mind keeps going in circles because I just can't see God, or at least, the God that I know, letting people go to Hell for believing in Him, but not Jesus. And then there's the whole 'Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are one' thing, so if they believe in God, and God is Jesus, then do they believe in Jesus? I don't think so, but I don't know. I don't really know anything, I'm quickly discovering.

I doubt this post made any sense at all. It's just something I've been thinking about.

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According to John 8:19, those who do not know Jesus do not know the Father God.

 "Then they asked him, "Where is your father?"

   "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

I have often struggled with the question you are asking.
To answer your first paragraph, if a person of nominally a different religion has rejected God in his heart, then he is not living in vain, but rebellion. But as I said before, maybe if they knew of Jesus they would accept Him.

Below is an article that helped me understand this more fully. I hope that it will answer some of your questions or at least raise some good ideas.

http://www.bethinking.org/resource.php?ID=175



 

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Alright, thanks, I'll make sure I look at it later. Right now, I honestly can't handle anything. Not because of this or anything, but I just can't. I'll read it later.

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This is something that i have given a huge amount of thought to over the years and I guess that I'm not completely sure. But, because I believe that everything that Jesus said was true, I have am fairly certain that Jesus Christ is the only way because that is what He said. Do you think He would have made that statement if there were exceptions? It is important to remember that he was SURROUNDED by devout jews when he made those statements.

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I do not and cannot believe that a man who has spent his entire life worshiping Allah, Krishna, (insert other non-Christian deity here), etc, pursuing the truth, and living a goood, kind, decent life will die, go to the pearly gates, and Jesus will look at him and say "Well, you tried hard, but you didn't make it. Sorry Charlie, hope you like the tropics."

I'm aware of the fact that this doesn't jive with a lot of what the Bible says, but at some point I also believe that you need to stop trusting what someone else is telling you, and believe what your heart (sometimes a.k.a. God) is telling you.

Jessica, I completely understand what you're getting at.

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I do not and cannot believe that a man who has spent his entire life worshiping Allah, Krishna, (insert other non-Christian deity here), etc, pursuing the truth, and living a goood, kind, decent life will die, go to the pearly gates, and Jesus will look at him and say "Well, you tried hard, but you didn't make it. Sorry Charlie, hope you like the tropics."

I'm aware of the fact that this doesn't jive with a lot of what the Bible says, but at some point I also believe that you need to stop trusting what someone else is telling you, and believe what your heart (sometimes a.k.a. God) is telling you.

Jessica, I completely understand what you're getting at.



I partially agree with you, but I don't think I would take it as far as you seem to be. May I ask, what is the point of Christianity (or any other religion) if they are all valid? Why would God sacrifice His Son if there was no need? For that matter, if we are free to live life however we like with no consequences, why would we do good?

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This is something that i have given a huge amount of thought to over the years and I guess that I'm not completely sure. But, because I believe that everything that Jesus said was true, I have am fairly certain that Jesus Christ is the only way because that is what He said. Do you think He would have made that statement if there were exceptions? It is important to remember that he was SURROUNDED by devout jews when he made those statements.



I don't know. Whenever I read that verse, I always get this feeling, wondering if that's what Jesus really said. Or if it was translated in the way He meant it to be. Or if He meant that He was the way to get to our God, and Buddhism is the way to get to theirs, Hinduism to get to theirs etc. even if they are all, in fact, the same. I just don't know.

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I do not and cannot believe that a man who has spent his entire life worshiping Allah, Krishna, (insert other non-Christian deity here), etc, pursuing the truth, and living a goood, kind, decent life will die, go to the pearly gates, and Jesus will look at him and say "Well, you tried hard, but you didn't make it. Sorry Charlie, hope you like the tropics."

I'm aware of the fact that this doesn't jive with a lot of what the Bible says, but at some point I also believe that you need to stop trusting what someone else is telling you, and believe what your heart (sometimes a.k.a. God) is telling you.

Jessica, I completely understand what you're getting at.



I'm glad you understand. In fact, I was thinking about you while I was talking about this with my friend. She agreed.

Honestly, I think that we don't have this whole 'who gets to Heaven' thing figured out entirely. I don't see how we could hope to understand such an entirely divine thing so completely that we know who goes and who doesn't. Until I get to Heaven and see Jews (besides all of them from the OT, who weren't Christians at all) and others or until I don't, I'm just going to trust that Christianity is the way for me, and I'm willing to be open to the idea that it might be a different way for someone else.

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