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But see you never will truly know. Plus I dont think if there is a god that he will sned you to hell just because you dont believe in him. I am not a bad person. I help the helpless and those in need. I am very generous. I have love and compassion inmy heart. does that mean all those good acts will mean nothing if i dont believe in a god?
I may be a minority in this thinking, but I do not see God as "sending" people to H.ell. H.ell is a place of separation from God. You said that "gods do not decide your way of life". I don't believe they "decide" mine either, if I am not mistaking your point. Of His own will, God chose to grant us freewill to make our own choices. We may choose either to be with Him, or to be separated from Him, thus choosing our own place of dwelling.
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Hell was never meant for you in the fist place. It was meant for Satan and his angels after they lost their places in Heaven. Satan is upset because he has spent thousands of years on the earth knowing that he will spend eternity in Hell one day. He and the demons are trying to take as many people with them as they can. Really God isn't the one sending people to Hell, its the Devil.
All of those things you do are great things. Everyone should try to be more like you in that way. its great that you do good things for other. Those won't get you to heaven though. God said in His Word that we are saved through faith and not works.
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Ah but has god spoken to you directly or have you achieved all this knowledge from a book that at any time can be tampered with. Oh yeah why did you have to quote me you could have just said in the post above.
Have you read all the bible this so called god said you can only worship him and no other. this is a jealous god and greed will bring you no good.
I am whole. You maybe the one who is not whole. You try to fill your insignificance by filling it with beliefs that you are chosen by a holy being to be alive. Life is like a shooting star if you waste it on meaningless things then you will have lived a sorry life.
Ask yourself do you have solid evidence of god or is it just all faith. If god is a man then he can also make mistakes.
Why are you so afraid of dying. All great things must have an end. which means do you truly want to live forever. how much that would be hell. I want rest after this long but happy life. I will fall into a eternal sleep of rest. I am whole if you believe it or not. that does not matter in the end. It matters only that i am whole and truly happy in my heart. gods do not decide my way of life.
First off, I'm sorry if my quoting you is offensive in anyway, but I want to make sure you know what I am atlking about.
No, I do not believe in a book, I believe in God. It takes faith to believe and it takes faith not to believe. I personally think it's easier to believe in something instead of nothing. Let me ask you this... what evidence do you have to suggest there is no God. We have a book (among other things) but that's one up on you.
God is not a man. He came down to earth in human form but He is not a man now. Jesus was perfect, as He was part human part God. He did not make any mistakes!
What makes you think I'm afraid of dying? I'm excited to take that last breath and be in the presence of the Lord. I hope you enjoy your eternal nap, but boy, it will not be a pleasent one. Enjoy your life as it is now because when you die, there will be no more joy. It will be all suffering all the time. If you don't believe me, that's fine, but you will! Oh, I can just here Satan laughing now at the fact that he's got a home for another one!
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okaay. satan can suck me for all i care. if there is a so called devil. i do not have any proof theres a god. i also never said there isnt a higher being. also that book was made by a man. men are capable of lying. but do you have rock solid evidence that there is a god.
ohh yea so hell wasnt meant for me then you said i cant get into heaven if i dont say i give my soul and faith to god. you know wat i dont honestly want to live for eternity in heaven. come on how boring would that be. and if i did get sent to hell dont you think i would get used to the pain and suffering after awhile comeon i would be there forever.
I want to live my own life and find my own strength. if there was a god and devil. I would wage war on both of them. they are using us as pawns. we need to stand up for ourselves. I spend every christman day feeding the homeless and you are probably staying in ur lil church and listening to a preacher preach lies.
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okaay. satan can suck me for all i care. if there is a so called devil. i do not have any proof theres a god. i also never said there isnt a higher being. also that book was made by a man. men are capable of lying. but do you have rock solid evidence that there is a god.
ohh yea so hell wasnt meant for me then you said i cant get into heaven if i dont say i give my soul and faith to god. you know wat i dont honestly want to live for eternity in heaven. come on how boring would that be. and if i did get sent to hell dont you think i would get used to the pain and suffering after awhile comeon i would be there forever.
I want to live my own life and find my own strength. if there was a god and devil. I would wage war on both of them. they are using us as pawns. we need to stand up for ourselves. I spend every christman day feeding the homeless and you are probably staying in ur lil church and listening to a preacher preach lies.
The Bible wasn't written by man, it was written by God. He used people to write it down, but it is all what God told them to say. There is a lot of proof the the Bible is the perfect Word of God.
Heaven won't be boring at all. Its a place that so great we can't even understand it until we get there. It would be like trying to explain the internet to and ant. I wish people in Hell would get used to the pain after a while, but I don't think they will because of what the Bible says about it.
Its good that you help people on Christmas. I don't usually go to church on Christmas unless its happens to be on a Sunday. And I don't listen to lies from the preacher. Some preachers do lie. However, preachers who are really doing it because God has told them do are listening to what God wants them to say. Since God can't lie, my preacher doesn't lie.
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This has been a very interesting debate , both sides have valid points .....may I ask why hok was banned ?
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^^Unwillingness to maintain a civil tone in discussion.
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No it seems that he was afraid that hok was making a point. Is that not right my friend. just to say hok is my boyfriend and he can act very rashly sometimes.
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11/14/2007, 8:22 pm
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So he send you on here to try to make a point? Very sophisticated...
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