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The 1Tom
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Judgment vs. Accountability
So, based on our discussion Wed. night, here is the question:
How do we stand against sin and hold each other accountable; WITHOUT becoming arrogant and judgmental?
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5/2/2008, 8:44 pm
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Re: Judgment vs. Accountability
A way to not be judgemental about a situation like the one we discussed is to go up to the person having the problem as a friend. Don't go to them to lecture them or make them feel like any less of a person. You should say something like "if I was in the same position I'd want you to tell me" or "as a friend I really don't think what your doing is right and I'm here to help you." Don't put them down and make them like your seperating them from everybody else because of what they did. Also, try to have a few scriptures in the Bible to show that what they're doing, isn't what God wants!
--megan
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5/4/2008, 12:04 pm
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Re: Judgment vs. Accountability
Good point Megan...
but Tom I think it's kind of like we talked about this morning with 'Raca' and again you don't want to make the person feel any less than you cause then they wont listen to you but on the other hand you really can't be too leanieant (probably not spelled right) ne wayz you can't be too leanieant because then nothing will change..
its kind of like with the band if we go somewhere to practice and we aren't like "Ok we need to do this and do it now" we wont do anything for the whole time"
but again we can't be like "You need to practice what we are playing or you can't be in the band anymore"
You really have to find a happy medium....
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5/4/2008, 6:53 pm
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Re: Judgment vs. Accountability
yeah I get wat your sayin; like you can't be too nice about it! Cause if your too nice you won't ever get the point across! just not too nice and not too mean, like you said: a happy medium!*
--megan
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5/5/2008, 2:02 am
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Re: Judgment vs. Accountability
The issue becomes even larger than that. I'm completely in favor of not "caving in" to sin. If you're just going to be a totally "Come as you are, don't change anything" kind of church, then what's the point?
At the same time, church is notorious for picking which sins they will come down on, and which ones they will allow to slide! Homosexuality is the primary example of this. We'll run someone out of the building if they are gay, but turn around and talk about them like they're dirt, without any consequences at all.
The solution is not to get slack on sin, but to hold ourselves to a much higher standard regarding ALL sin. We might also have to look deeper into the Bible to find out what really is/is not a sin as defined by Christ.
Also, we have to remember that people are restored to Christ all the time, often through patience and prayer (check out Galatians 6:1-5). Those two things seemed to be missing completely in this situation. It was all about ultimatums--YOU DO THIS OR ELSE!--rather than patience, prayer, and a more loving approach. If you forget those things, then you don't have much chance of being effective when you confront sin.
Finding the "Happy Medium" is very hard--but I think you have to make an effort at it. The pastor didn't seem to want to even try, which I find very strange.
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Re: Judgment vs. Accountability
I totally get what your saying Tom! Like we don't need to judge somebody as soon as they walk in and tell them to leave, instead of getting to know them, bringing them in and trying to get them close to God. I think that's a mistake alot of churches/youth groups make is seperating that person from everybody and giving them looks and talking!
I personally think it's REALLY hard to level out and have a "happy medium." But I also think if you concentrate on doing so, well if everybody does, we'll have alot more people come into the youth group and you know say "hey if this church isn't going to judge me for the mistakes I've made and try to teach me right from wrong, then maybe that's the way I want to live my life!"
So I think everybody should strive to find a "happy medium" and live their life that way.
--megan
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Re: Judgment vs. Accountability
good points
the reason i came to this youth group wasn't why i should have... and i have come to terms with that but i stayed for a completely different reason.. because there were people here that weren't perfect and they didn't expect me to be either... and the reason im still here is because it's still the same way nobody expects anybody else to be perfect.... and i hope that we don't come to the point where anybody expects anybody to be perfect... cause we all fall down and make mistakes and nobodys perfect... i think however there does need to be an increased effort to find a "happy medium"
i know i can improve on finding 'happy mediums' in pretty much everything i do...
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Tj i get what ur saying about not expecting everyone to be perfect, but I think what Tom is trying to teach us is that we need to hold each other to a higher standard (including ourselves) and that means trying our hardest to be "perfect" in Gods eyes, and helping others to do the same. Of course we won't get there until God makes us that way, but I think a lot of the time we say "Nobodys perfect, so why even try?" when we should be saying "Jesus was perfect and I'm a Christian, so I should try hard to do what Jesus would do in this situation."
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i completely understand what your saying but im not saying nobody's perfect so why try... what im saying is that we all to often turn away those people who are less on the right way than we are.... and we shouldn't do that... Jesus ate with the people everyone else hated and i think that if we are to get anywhere close to what Jesus was i think we need to be with those people that other people don't want be with ... if that makes any sense
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Re: Judgment vs. Accountability
he also held them accountable for what they did, he ate with them and preached against what they were doing
see a lot of the time i think we know what other people are doing and try to stay off that subject so we wont hurt they're feelings or anything like that
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