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 Why condem all Muslims
Most Muslims are peaceful people and in this country they bring a wealth of creativity and hard work to the table. It is a few zealous fanatics who perverted a religion of peace and are spewing all the hatred.I remember duting an ani American protest in Iran where the Mullahs were screaming about the Great Satan ( that be us)thay a reporter from fox news I think was in the crowd and asked people there what the thought of America, and the general answer was We love Americans and the Western Culture. It's the Fanatics who are causing the turmoil and stirring the pot not the Muslim people
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Re: Why condem all Muslims
I agree wholeheartedly that people need to stop looking at all Muslims like they're the enemy, just because a handful of people who call themselves Muslims decided to attack us. Why don't we suspect all Christians of being terrorists? After all, a few of them have bombed family planning clinics in the name of Christianity. What religion was Timothy McVeigh? Was he also a Christian? Oh yes, Hitler was a self-proclaimed Catholic, so maybe all Catholics are into genocide. Maybe we should just lock all religious people up and let atheists take the helm. I'm sure it would put an end to a lot of the war going on right now, since they don't follow some holy book that tells them to kill.
Yes, the Qu'ran does have messages in there saying to kill people who don't share their beliefs... but so does the Bible. Destroy the Amalekites utterly (and don't spare any babies!) for something their ancestors did five generations ago. Yeah, that promotes peace, all right.
The way I see it, Muslims are living the way of life that was described in the Christian Old Testament, which is basically the Jewish Torah. Women submitted to men, wore veils, and couldn't go out in public without their father or husband, and people were killed over the dumbest little things. That's the way it's written in the Torah, and it's the same way Muslims live in Islamic countries today, so it's especially amazing that Muslims and Jews are constantly going at it. But although Muslims are living exactly the way the Jewish Torah says to live, the Jews are living much differently than the Torah (Old Testament) I'm familiar with. Perhaps Muslims look down on Jews for not being "faithful" to God/Allah/YWHW and keeping His ways, while Jews are seeing themselves as enlightened for dropping some of the more oppressive traditions? Incidentally, Christians also like to pick and choose what parts of the Bible they live by as well. Perhaps everyone knows deep down inside that their "holy book" isn't really all they claim it to be, but some are so afraid to admit that to themselves or to their fellow worshippers that they do things "in the name of God" to "prove" their faithfulness...
Anyway, my point is that all three of these religions I have mentioned stemmed from the same dark-aged stories, and there are people of all three religions who do bad things in the name of their particular religion.
But you know what? Despite the zealots' cries of "Allah Akhbar!" as they're blowing themselves up in front of one of our embassies, the reason for 9/11 was not necessarily a religious one. According to bin Laden himself, it was his retaliation against us because we mass murdered his people. So what do we do in retaliation for that? We attack a different country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 (Iraq), which was led by someone he completely loathes (Hussein). Yeah, that'll teach him. 
When is all this retaliation going to stop? World leaders aren't supposed to be fighting like petty thugs in street gangs. "You killed my brother, now let's see how you like it when I kill your sister!" Oops, a car got in the way of the bullet, sending the car off the road in a fiery heap, killing the driver and his three passengers. I guess that's what they call collateral damage.
But in Iraq, it's "Ok... women, children, and elderly can leave, but men aged 16-54(?) have to stay in the city while we bomb it. Nevermind that women, children, and elderly have no way out of Fallujah because women aren't allowed to drive, the children are too young, and the elderly are too frail. If they don't find a way out, they'll just be considered collateral damage." Of course, they also seem to be assuming that all men that were in that city aged 16-54 were terrorists. But I'm sure there are more Christian terrorists in Washington DC than there were Muslim terrorists in Fallujah before they killed all the civilians there that day.
Sorry, I got off on a bit of a rant, and I should get going to bed now. Thanks again for joining the board, Baron, and I look forward to posting more with you in the days, weeks, and maybe even years to come! 
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Re: Why condem all Muslims
Oh yes, Hitler was a self-proclaimed Catholic, so maybe all Catholics are into genocide
Well we did fight against Hitler and win 
But I see your point.
Besides it is really wrong to condemn a whole faith because of a few fanatics . Problem is that it is only the fanatics one gets to see and hear about in media, so it seems like there are only fanatics about , if you get my idea.
We dont get to see the " normal " muslims, ergo they dont excist ( in many ppls mind )
And many ppl think that if it really is only a handful of fanatics why dont the other muslims remove them from power ? I have heard that question many times.
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Re: Why condem all Muslims
And another thing.
Right now in Sweden , the muslim representatives wants the Swedish goverment to accept a seperate legal system for those of the muslim faith 
I can guarantee that doesnt make the muslims more popular here anyway.
And I personally thinks that, that idea ( of a seperate legal sytem ) sucks ! They live here in Sweden and should follow the law that applies here.
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Problem is that it is only the fanatics one gets to see and hear about in media, so it seems like there are only fanatics about , if you get my idea.
That's exactly the problem, FX.  People don't know what the peaceful majority are all about, because the loud minority will always drown out the quiet majority. Because of this, some people tend to believe that most people of other ethnicities and/or religious beliefs are zealouts, and only the zealouts in their own community are few and far between.
And many ppl think that if it really is only a handful of fanatics why dont the other muslims remove them from power ? I have heard that question many times.
That is an understandable question, but the answer isn't always as simple as it seems. One might ask how Dubya got his 2nd term, and while I do think he still had quite a bit of support at the time, there were still enough voting irregularities to turn the tables in his favor in the 2004 election.
Yes, many Palestinians supported Hamas, and the majority might have voted for them, but it's also possible that Hamas could have fixed the election in their favor. It's also possible that it was not fixed, in which case we would have to consider what their alternatives were. Their current "government" wasn't improving their situation any, but Hamas was building hospitals and making other charitable contributions to their society, plus the people probably thought Hamas could offer them protection from the daily attacks made by the Israeli military.
Then we have the question of Iran's leadership, which I know even less about.
I agree with you that one country should have one legal system for all its citizens, and if someone completely disagrees with the laws there, they shouldn't be living there. On the other hand, if they agree with most of the laws but disagree with small aspects of it, they should be free to ask lawmakers to change some of those laws, and vote for people whom they feel will best represent them. Of course, nobody should be free to threaten, harrass, or commit violence to achieve this, and if they feel the need to do so, then they shouldn't be living there.
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Re: Why condem all Muslims
A suicide bomber.
It is the European idea that proclaims: we must kill our foes to win the war.
The Muslim mind sees that we will all die some day, and it is to be at peace with that, and at peace with oneself, that is the victory.
The suicide bomber dies at peace. The suicide bomber dies while prepared to die. His victims; the fear, the resistance, the pathetic attempts to cling to life... these are examples of not being ready to die. The suicide bomber wins the war against his foe because he wins the war within himself.
There is nothing a warrior can take from me. But there is something I can take from him. His peace of mind.
Soldiers should go into battle prepared to die. Suicides should be the highest form of combat. Westerners praise the idea of "going down, guns a' blazin" so long as it's down the enemy's barrel. Muslims realize that war is not fought with weapons, but with souls.
I'm cool with IEDs. I'm cool with assaults on military posts and civilian support staff excluding media. I accept the reasoning behind killing prisoners, though I never would. I get the feeling that attacks on funerals and marketplaces and mosques are somehow spun stories we're being fed. They may happen a little differently than we're told, for who would attack his own people?
If America were invaded, no Americans would open fire on random gatherings, it's nonsense. All fire would be directed towards the enemy.
And don't buy indoctrination bull**** for a minute.
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Forever Xena said:
And many ppl think that if it really is only a handful of fanatics why dont the other muslims remove them from power ? I have heard that question many times.
Let's say you're living a good life -- not rich, but enough money, a decent house, a nice family, a respectable job. You're a firm believer in your faith, but you're no fanatic. Let's say that you hear that part your government or faith is doing things you don't approve of. What do you do?
Well, first, you probably talk it over with your friends. Try to pull together all the facts, come to a group consensus. Maybe you decide you should say something, try to change things.
Then a handful of fanatics come to your buddy's door and threaten to kill his children if he says anything more. Or maybe your own boss tells you to knock it off or you'll lose your job. What do you do? The bold man -- the hero -- refuses to be stopped. But the common man quiets down. He still grumbles about the injustice to his family, but really, the problem was always only hypothetical to him. It wasn't hurting his family, his friends.
Few people are willing to risk much solely for an ideal. This is true in our country as well as those in the Mideast. When we see things happening here that we don't like, we grumble about them, but how many of us do anything? And even if we wanted to, how many of us know HOW to do anything?
The same is true in Middle-Eastern countries, I suspect. Most people probably don't exactly agree with what's going on, but they also don't care enough to risk their job or family's safety. I can't really blame them for this. Of course, since they don't speak up, neither will anyone else -- for no one wants to play the hero by himself.
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I couldn't have said it better, myself. Well put.
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Re: Why condem all Muslims
I've had Muslim friends before, and it kills me the way that the media makes Muslims out to be just because a minority of them act a certain way. God bless the muslims, that's why I say <3
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The whole mindset that some people are different just because of the color of their skin, or the fact that they worship the same god in different ways, bothers me. And yes, I especially hate it when one "group" is singled out, especially for the acts of other people in their "group" who really don't have much more in common with them than a label.
What's with all these imaginary lines, anyway? People are so diverse right here within our own country, that I may have more in common with someone from a different country than I do with, say, someone in the Ozarks, and I have family from the Ozarks! Heck, I have more in common with some people in Australia or Denmark than I do with some of the people right in my own town!
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