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Faith: What's Your Spiritual Index?

We Americans are very spiritual. Fully 72 percent say their lives have meaning and purpose because of faith, according to a new Gallup Poll of 1,509 adults that was conducted with the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Research on Religion & Urban Civil Society. But as believers try to link their faith to everyday life, many admit there is a gap between what they believe and how they act.

Here are the results of the first annual Gallup poll to examine "The Spiritual State of the Union." The index has two components: Inner commitment gauges people's connection with God, a higher power, or divine will, while outer commitment looks at how they live out their inner commitment through service to others, their community, and society in general.

The nation's spiritual index: 74.7 percent (out of a possible 100 percent)
Average score for respondents' inner commitment: 79.8 percent
Average score for respondents' outer commitment: 69.5 percent


I agree completely that:

• The overall health of the nation depends a great deal on the spiritual health of the nation: 77 percent
• Life has meaning and purpose because of faith: 72 percent
• Faith is involved in every aspect of life: 60 percent


What is our faith?

Christian: 80 percent
Non-Christian: 6 percent
No religious tradition: 13 percent
Of those who identified themselves as Christians, 76 percent agreed completely with the idea that all people, regardless of race, creed or wealth, are loved by God and therefore they should love all. However, only 44 percent said the notion that "God calls me to be involved in the lives of the poor and suffering" applies completely to them. "I think what that's telling us is that it's easy to believe something. It's harder to put it into play," The Rev. Scott Jones, a Tempe, Ariz., pastor who worked on the Gallup research, told Religion News Service.

Other findings regarding Christians who said they "agree completely" with these statements:

• Believe that God is actively involved in their life: 74 percent
• Find hope from their faith in Jesus Christ during a crisis: 67 percent
• No task is too menial if God calls them to do it: 58 percent


More than a third of Americans say they are spiritual, rather than religious. "Being labeled religious is not as popular as it was, I guess, in earlier years," said George Gallup when he presented the findings. They defined spirituality in several ways, including belief in God or a higher power or just seeking to be a good person and reach their fullest human potential.

"You really cannot understand America if you do not understand her spiritual underpinnings," Gallup said. "This survey makes that point, loudly and clearly."


Two results I find noteworthy:

• Only 44% of self-described Christians believe that God wants them to help the poor and suffering, and
• only 67% find hope from faith in Jesus Christ during a crisis.

Christians are supposed to follow Jesus' example and have faith in Jesus. Jesus, or so the story goes, taught people to serve others and help the poor and needy, so I would have to say that the 56% of self-described Christians who don't follow this example are frauds. Christians are also supposed to have faith that Jesus will help them in their times of need, so I would have to say that the 33% of those who don't have this faith are also frauds.

The question remains, are the 33% of the faithless also part of the 56% of the selfish? If so, then 56% of those who describe themselves as Christians are frauds. If the 33% who are faithless try to help the needy, and the 56% who are selfish have faith that Jesus (or someone/something) will see them through tough times, then an overwhelming 93% of self-proclaimed Christians are frauds. Since one isn't necessarily indicative of the other, then one can only deduce by this poll that the percentage of falsely self-described Christians is somewhere between 56% and 89%, and only 11% to 44% are true Christians.

Am I missing the boat by not factoring in the 33% of self-described Christians who do not believe that God loves people regardless of race, creed or wealth? After all, God did hate the Amalekites and had even their nursing infants murdered, or so the story goes...

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The problem with Christianity was, it never started out as a faith, it started out as a political movement, the Jesus being the son of God was added by
Emperor Constantine....

Christianity contians the least amount of spirtuality among the other religions, it lacks any pillars of faith an Jesus himself stated he never came to challenge the old laws but to change the Pharasees handling of them....

Christian beliefs are simply just one "Jesus is the son of God and died for your sins", the problem most people have with that is Jesus happens to still be alive sitting next to God according to the same Bible that also states he is dead....

So are the beliefs hypocritical, if yes then all the believers would naturally have to be hypocritical, thats how faith kind of works, like negative vibes bring negativity.....

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You make a good point. The hours of pain he would have suffered through would have been excruciating, but the actual death itself would have been of no consequence. His death would have been nothing more than going to sleep for a few days, only to awaken, spend a little more time on Earth, then take a little trip to paradise to be with the Creator/his father/himself. Boy, talk about schizophrenic. The beating and hanging would have been a terrible thing to bear, yes, but dying would have been the easy part.

I think that many Christians do have a feeling of spirituality, but I agree that there isn't much spirituality in the religion itself. Perhaps Constantine didn't figure it was necessary, and thought scaring the masses with the threat of Hell would be enough.

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maybe they see being hypocritical as a test of their faith, Yes they know its hypocrisy yet they dare not question someone that they have total trust in, to question the hypocrisy is to question your faith to some people I believe.

All I can think is you know yourselves if you expect something and dont get it you can be overwhelmed with disappointment, I just wonder what or how these people would react when they die to find all they believed false or worse NEVER exsisted to start with.

I still cannot get my head around why these "books" are taken so much notice of when at a time so many myths were believed to be truth from those times until today. I tell you what though it would have to be the BIGGEST most believed myth ever, that in itself makes you think well can soooooo many people be wrong? Is it just playing on our hope and optimism that there is something after this life? and the last question, could it actually be TRUE???

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You make a good point. I wonder how many Christians inwardly question their faith but try to fight off their skepticism, or 'reconcile' it by saying Satan is trying to deceive them, etc.

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I think Satan is a creation by religion, not a power in itself, just to scare ppl to join emoticon

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The whole concept of Satan doesn't make any sense to me.  Some Christians say that it's Satan's job to tempt us, that God created him specifically for that reason, and yet Satan is doomed to a life in Hell for being evil.  How could a fair-minded, loving god create a demon for the purpose of tempting people to sin so they could go to Hell, and also condemn that same demon for doing his job, the one he was created, by God, specifically for?  A fair-minded, loving god would do no such thing, because there is nothing fair-minded nor loving about it.

Believers and non-believers alike should agree that we humans have the ability to do bad things without someone having to tempt us, just as we can do good things without anyone having to tell us to do so.  According to the Bible, the way to have the strength to fight off Satan's temptations is to develop a close relationship with God.  Well, if we can choose God over Satan in order to have a close relationship with Him, then couldn't we just as easily choose to do good without choosing God?  And if we need Satan to tempt us in order to commit a sin, then wouldn't we also need God to actively pursue a close relationship with us instead of vice-versa?  To say we have the "free will" to do good on our own (ie: choose God for ourselves) but not the "free will" to do evil on our own (ie: without Satan's temptations) would be hypocritical, and if the devil could win anyone over, it would have to be from God not trying hard enough to have us on His side.

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I havent even looked at the Bible since I went to school, but I do seem to remember that when Adam(and Eve) ate that apple, humans where doomed to live in sin....correct me if I am wrong....but it seems to me that the whole scheme behind it , is to tell us we are all bad from the very beginning and need God to show us the way to a good life.

Then , when your life ends, you will have to stay in front of the Lord answering to your sins.

This is just too weird for me emoticon

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You remember correctly, Moose. emoticon  Since the serpent (which Christians later said was Satan) tempted Eve to eat the apple and she shared it with Adam, we are all supposedly born sinful.  The Bible makes a multitude of contradictions on the topic of "bearing your father's burdens," by the way. In some areas, it says we shall not be held responsible for anyone else's actions, be it our father, our mother, our brother, our sister, etc.  But in others, whole cities are wiped out as a punishment for the misdeeds of their ancestors (as with the Amalekites).

Back to "original sin," God causes us all to be born sinful, and then gets all pissed off when people aren't behaving the way He wants them to.  Well duh!  Of course we're going to be sinful if you cause us to be born sinful! emoticon

In one story, he levels Sodom for the way they treat their visitors (the original version had nothing to do with sodomy, btw), then turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, merely because she looked behind her out of curiosity.  And of course, I'm sure we all know the story about Noah's Ark and the "great flood" that supposedly wiped out the whole earth — minus 8 humans and two of every species (including 7 pairs of each "clean" species), after which they all supposedly found their way to various continents around the world, with environments specifically tailored for their survival, without being eaten or leaving any fossils behind along their journey. emoticon

The whole judgment day thing is pretty contradictory, too.  Are we supposed to stand in front of God to be judged?  Or is Jesus supposed to judge us?  Will the sinners be taken first, like weeds being thrown out of the garden and burned?  Or will the "saved" be taken to Heaven and the sinners left here to suffer in Hell on Earth?  The Bible just can't seem to make up its mind on the subject. emoticon

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You remember correctly, Moose. emoticon Since the serpent (which Christians later said was Satan) tempted Eve to eat the apple and she shared it with Adam, we are all supposedly born sinful. The Bible makes a multitude of contradictions on the topic of "bearing your father's burdens," by the way. In some areas, it says we shall not be held responsible for anyone else's actions, be it our father, our mother, our brother, our sister, etc. But in others, whole cities are wiped out as a punishment for the misdeeds of their ancestors (as with the Amalekites).


I think someone mixed this up a long time ago.
The problem, as I see it, is who are you responsible to ?? It is as you say, very unclear.
Is it to God only, or the ppl around you ??

All laws and constitutions are also build on the Bible, but much of it makes no sense in todays world, much like the Koran, made back in 600AC or something.
They still try to rule their ppl like they did back in 1100AC.



Back to "original sin," God causes us all to be born sinful, and then gets all pissed off when people aren't behaving the way He wants them to. Well duh! Of course we're going to be sinful if you cause us to be born sinful! emoticon



YAY !!!



The whole judgment day thing is pretty contradictory, too. Are we supposed to stand in front of God to be judged? Or is Jesus supposed to judge us? Will the sinners be taken first, like weeds being thrown out of the garden and burned? Or will the "saved" be taken to Heaven and the sinners left here to suffer in Hell on Earth? The Bible just can't seem to make up its mind on the subject. emoticon



So much for respect and understanding, huh ??



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