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another view on the Nobel peace price, prize... :P
It took 25 years longer than George Orwell thought for the slogans of 1984 to become reality.
“War is Peace,” “Freedom is Slavery,” “Ignorance is Strength.”
It took 25 years longer than George Orwell thought for the slogans of 1984 to become reality.
I would add, “Lie is Truth.”
The Nobel Committee has awarded the 2009 Peace Prize to President Obama, the person who started a new war in Pakistan, upped the war in Afghanistan, and continues to threaten Iran with attack unless Iran does what the US government demands and relinquishes its rights as a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty.
The Nobel committee chairman, Thorbjoern Jagland said, “Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future.”
Obama, the committee gushed, has created “a new climate in international politics.”
Tell that to the 2 million displaced Pakistanis and the unknown numbers of dead ones that Obama has racked up in his few months in office. Tell that to the Afghans where civilian deaths continue to mount as Obama’s “war of necessity” drones on indeterminably.
No Bush policy has changed. Iraq is still occupied. The Guantanamo torture prison is still functioning. Rendition and assassinations are still occurring. Spying on Americans without warrants is still the order of the day. Civil liberties are continuing to be violated in the name of Oceania’s “war on terror.”
Apparently, the Nobel committee is suffering from the delusion that, being a minority, Obama is going to put a stop to Western hegemony over darker-skinned peoples.
The non-cynical can say that the Nobel committee is seizing on Obama’s rhetoric to lock him into the pursuit of peace instead of war. We can all hope that it works. But the more likely result is that the award has made “War is Peace” the reality.
Obama has done nothing to hold the criminal Bush regime to account, and the Obama administration has bribed and threatened the Palestinian Authority to go along with the US/Israeli plan to deep-six the UN’s Goldstone Report on Israeli war crimes committed during Israel’s inhuman military attack on the defenseless civilian population in the Gaza Ghetto.
The US Ministry of Truth is delivering the Obama administration’s propaganda that Iran only notified the IAEA of its “secret” new nuclear facility because Iran discovered that US intelligence had discovered the “secret” facility. This propaganda is designed to undercut the fact of Iran’s compliance with the Safeguards Agreement and to continue the momentum for a military attack on Iran.
The Nobel committee has placed all its hopes on a bit of skin color.
“War is Peace” is now the position of the formerly antiwar organization, Code Pink. Code Pink has decided that women’s rights are worth a war in Afghanistan.
When justifications for war become almost endless–oil, hegemony, women’s rights, democracy, revenge for 9/11, denying bases to al Qaeda and protecting against terrorists–war becomes the path to peace.
The Nobel committee has bestowed the prestige of its Peace Prize on Newspeak and Doublethink.
~Paul Craig Roberts
Infowars
October 10, 2009
http://www.infowars.com/warmonger-wins-peace-prize/
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Re: another view on the Nobel peace price, prize... :P
I saw that.
Those are the same people who are claiming that GWB and his family arranged the 9/11 bombings in order to start the war and that he and his friends (including John Kerry and Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter) hold secret naked rituals where they burn children in effigy, and that GWB's grandfather helped Hitler fund WWII and the Holocaust.
Although there has been some increase in bombings in Pakistan, if the only reason to encourage them is to allow women to be as free and men and to bring an end to the kind of brain-washing that makes women believe they are inferior, then yes, a war of that kind is justified.
I would happily see the entire Middle East blown off the face of the earth it if would stop the stoning of women because they sleep with a lover yet nothing happens to the lover, and if it would stop female genital mutilation and the subjugation of 50% of their population.
Sometimes in order to make people see the error of their ways you have to bang a few heads.
Those guys are worse panic-mongers than the Bush administration ever was and that's saying a lot because I believe that Bush and Rumsfeld should be called to task for lying to the American people, and the world.
Is it too soon for Obama to get the Peace Prize, possibly. I think it should've gone to the Morgan Tsvangerai for standing up to Robert Mugabe, the first person to have done that for over 20 years and he succeeded in breaking the political deadlock in Zimbabwe. But Zimbabwe has nothing to offer the world or to make foreign politicians rich so he's passed over for someone who can.
And to use Obama's skin color as a weapon or an excuse is just wrong - race is a man-made difference, it doesn't mean a damn thing. Your value as a human being has got nothing to do with your genetic history.
Nope, that's their opinion, their rhetoric is as bad as that of the ones who hide under sheets and burn crosses on people's lawns, except they're worse because they pretend open-mindedness when they're really extreme right-wingers using left-wing words to hide their prejudice.
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Re: another view on the Nobel peace price, prize... :P
I would happily see the entire Middle East blown off the face of the earth it if would stop the stoning of women because they sleep with a lover yet nothing happens to the lover, and if it would stop female genital mutilation and the subjugation of 50% of their population.
if it took the murder of roughly 200 million people (the approximate population of the middle east) to stop the abuse of women, i don't think it would be worth it, there would have to be a better way.
Those are the same people who are claiming that GWB and his family arranged the 9/11 bombings in order to start the war and that he and his friends (including John Kerry and Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter) hold secret naked rituals where they burn children in effigy, and that GWB's grandfather helped Hitler fund WWII and the Holocaust.
the Bush's were in fact tied with the bin ladens, and there is evidence of 9/11 being an inside job.
if i found out bush burned children in effigy i wouldn't be surprised at all.
and this article from the British paper "the Guardian" outlines the bush Hitler connection. >click here<
i agree with the skin color point though, i think the writer was suggesting that was part of the commitees motivation, and perhaps it was, i dont know, but it is and should be irellavent.
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Re: another view on the Nobel peace price, prize... :P
Of course I'd remove the women and children first, and then round up all the crazies and bomb them!
I sort of give a bit of credence to suspect behavior by the Tree family and I wouldn't even be surprised if OBL wasn't under witness protection somewhere but not the 9/11 thing Killing off thousands like that to start a war. I think that's a bit far-fetched.
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Re: another view on the Nobel peace price, prize... :P
Lock them all up together and brainwash them into following you, using the same techniques cults use (sleep deprivation, minimal food, excessive meditation, etc). Once they're submissive, you slowly allow more and more sleep, food, freedom, etc., while teaching them how to reason.
Eh, it might work on a few people. 
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Nah! Those people don't deserve a second chance, they need to be removed, to the bottom of a very deep pit!
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Re: another view on the Nobel peace price, prize... :P
of course the agents of change are already in place, the Sufi's are an example of a more enlightened approach to Islam and spirituality.
part of the problem over there is us though! as long as we occupy and bomb these countries the male power structure that fears independent women stays in power! they have strength and support as long as their people are being victimised by outsiders! if we were not over there either as occupiers, or as enables to various dictators, than they would have a much harder time holding back the tide of feminine independence...
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Re: another view on the Nobel peace price, prize... :P
They're brainwashed, MO. Think about the fundy Christians you've argued with, the ones who display no sense of reason if something doesn't fit in with what they were taught to believe, then imagine those same people growing up in a country that's ruled by Sharia law. I'm not saying they're all brainwashed (some may just enjoy bullying their women), but I'd say a good majority are.
Now, compound that with the fact that we didn't just invade Iraq in 2003. We've been meddling in their affairs for decades, at least. We didn't like the ruler of Iran, so we stuck our own guy in there by force. We had a cold war with the USSR, who was also at war with Afghanistan, so we armed and trained some of the most fundamentalist groups we could find, effectively putting the Taliban and Osama bin Laden in power there. We helped Hussein when he attacked Iran, but soon after put an embargo on Iraq's oil and dropped bombs on its citizens to enforce that embargo. I could go on about our meddling, but for them, this all translates into:
West = Evil, and by extension:
Christians = Evil
Islam = Oppressed and Righteous
Is it any wonder they have such an easy time brainwashing their people and recruiting more people to fight against us, especially when they grow up being oppressed by the U.S. and its allies?
Let's also not forget the Israeli government's terrorism against the Palestinians, and their threats to wipe Iran off the map. This translates into:
Jews = Evil
Islam = Oppressed and Righteous
In addition to what I said in my last post, most of the world leaders could use similar treatment. Unfortunately, that would leave us with no one to run the countries.
Edit to add: Maybe we could work on a few members of congress/parliament/whatever at a time?
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