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Did you ever consider that perhaps we do not control the time of when God is revealed to us?

In the Christian faith consider the following passage taken from John 6:44 (NIV)when Jesus said,
“No one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him”

And what Jesus later said in John 14:6 (NIV)
“…No One comes to the Father, except through me.”

Can you see the dilemma? God sets the time. God decides when you can come to Jesus yet Jesus makes it clear that he is the only way to the Father.

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This seems to be more of a question of "who" than "when." Even with the media and the internet, there are still people in various parts of the world who have never heard of the Christian God, so how can they be drawn to him? Imagine how few people could have heard of him before the invention of newspapers.

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My present somewhat evolving understanding is that people cannot be convinced to experiance God and that information in itself will not yeild that result. Personally I had a lifetime of Christian education that yielded little more than an adherance to certain belief practices. That stuff doesn't tend to stick with you when circumstances change or you encounter different information or discover misinformation. (lots of bad man based theology out there) Experiance that is real and tangible endures any contradicting information or hardship. I think we can fill our churches with people but we can't fill them with Christians, only God can do that. Perhaps we find God when our search for God coincides with Gods search for us. God is manifest to me through Jesus, God is manifest to Muslims through Allah, to Jews through Moses?, and so on, yet in all those groups we encounter adherants who practice and say they believe...perhaps still seeking that Godly encounter. My hope and prayer would be; that others could experiance God as I do; that they might persevere somehow. Information becomes the seed, which can only grow in the right soil/environment and only when watered and nourished. Me thinks information alone, is unimpressive until it grows into something. And some churches have spread too much "fertilizer" (if you know what I mean)in their attempts to have a garden.

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Yes, there is a lot of "fertilizer" in the church, lol, and I love your analogy. Perhaps they are too busy spreading the fertilizer and not planting the right seeds? But the Bible itself is so full of weeds that it's hard for some to differentiate them from the flowers. Pile on too much fertilizer, and not only does it all get lost in the mix, but the stench can be too unbearable to go anywhere near it. For anyone to see the flowers and weeds clearly, they need to read the Bible for themselves, with an open mind, without evangelical fertilizer obscuring their view.

I have sought God many times in the past, and no god had ever appeared to me. I sought God through accepting the story of Jesus when I believed it to be true, with still no result. I began reading the Bible in earnest, and it was only then that I decided that God (at least the God of the Bible) was only a myth. Through studying science, I decided that a god was not necessary for our existence and/or morals. Through studying history and politics, I decided that not only are gods unnecessary, but belief in gods have had very negative effects on society, throughout history, and even today.

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