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Spirituality to me is less "religious" per say, and more about doing right by people, treating them as i would like to be treated, and respecting the fact that anyone has the right to think whatever the **** they want. I may disagree, yet that does not give me the right to take a **** on someone elses opinions or beliefs. I am a christian (who hasn't gone to church in over a year), yet i am more than fascinated with rastafari, buddhism, and other faiths and beliefs. To me this is not incompatible, rather it is just my way of expressing my innermost thoughts about existence and the way things are. if you look at organized religion, most are (in my opinion) different manifestations of and ways of expressing the uncertainty that is life. That in itself may be circular, since faith is inherently uncertain, yet that is what adds mysticism and makes it more special.

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think i read somewhere in that big book about loving neighbours and nothing about loving only certain types.

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Psalm 137:9 "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones"

Hosea 13:16 "Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."

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oh well, why can't we all just get a long? emoticon

the majority of adherants to religious and spiritual codes are pretty harmless and generally pretty nice people, so i've no bone to pick.

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Moderates enable extremists.

I do not like it when my government, city councils, cops, judges and neighbors are all waiting for Armageddon so they can be saved by their Jeezus. It fosters and breeds a laissez-faire outlook on environmental issues and the importance of actually solving real socio-economic/environmental issues.

When a moderate christian "puts god first" in their life, it means that rationality and reason are now 2nd (ha, if that) and decisions are made with deference to an imaginary friend.

Anyone who honestly believes we are a priori defective, and need to apologize for being human; is frightening to me in the social sense. Particularly because they are so moderate in their apathy, and America is not a constitutional republic (as it was founded). Mob rules, when it suits the government for the mob to rule.

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TBG- moderates enable extremists? passive ones, maybe. but active moderates are the force needed to counter them. in my estimation [and this was even before i began to look outside of my southern christian upbringing], proper stewardship of the earth and our bodies as commanded in the Bible and other holy books requires us to deal seriously and pragmatically with environmental and socio-economic issues. if you will, abraham->muhammad were all social theorists whose ideas, properly adapted to fit the current state of affairs, would have a transformatively beneficial effect on the way our world works. what some people do "in the name of" whatever is rarely edifying to or representative of whatever that is. [very confusing sentence, and i apologize]

i wonder if i might gain some concession from you. will you accept that there is/could be a great deal of good within many faith traditions?; that one can lead a full, happy life while following one of the aforementioned traditions?; and/or [and i know this may be pushing it with you] that someone could be scholarly, clear- and levelheaded, and generally in-touch with the "real" world while following and believing in one or more of these traditions?

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All the good that could come from embracing religion could be accomplished as easily (if not easier) by dropping the metaphysical baggage.

The good done by religion cannot justify the bad done in the name of religion.

While I do admit that many intelligent people are religious, I think that they are engaging in an ongoing exercise in cognitive dissonance.

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While I do admit that many intelligent people are religious, I think that they are engaging in an ongoing exercise in cognitive dissonance.


Hard to argue with. But I'll point out that all people do this (and more or less all the time). It's only very obvious with religious persons who prefer to respond with a much diminished concept of "faith". (And not so obvious as the cognitive dissonance that the vast majority practice every day in other areas)

I'll also enter to the playing field the concept that the metaphysical, in the Mystical sense not the institutional religion or out of a book sense, seems very much to be a neutral entity much like electricity. It's just that most tend to manipulate these ideas into electric chairs rather than lighting. (ie Spiritual concepts are neutral whereas with humans, well, we often tend to act like assholes.)


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Re: Would God want us to disrspect the Sacred Beliefs of others? Or respect them?


i saw a bumpersticker once that said "God, please save me from your followers"
i do not believe in one god or even many gods or any gods. i am a spiritual person because i am a person who has spirit emoticon
but for some strange reason people (mostly people claiming to be christian) seem to think i am destined to go to hell if they don't shove their beliefs down my throat. it is very hard to respect people's beliefs when they can't seem to respect yours.

i don't know... maybe i sound stupid but i don't understand why people can't leave well enough alone.
8/18/2009, 8:51 am   
 


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