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Re: Will we ever get a fully dubbed RPG?
See, the only problem with your "bare bones" argument is that you keep referring it to subs, when there aren't none. I know you're referring to how games are made in Japanese, so if someone wants to play it they can play it in Japanese but that's highly cumbersome and not at all what is being discussed here.
It's just not the same really, most people don't care to the point where they won't play the game in English either way.
BecauseIcan, your methods seem to be derailing the conversation even further. XD; I think I get what you're trying to say, but it's just not really an option for most people. The matter is that most games already come with a finished Japanese track and some companies choose to leave that in while working on an English dub like NISA does. The problem here is the quality of the English dubbing or lack of one and what we can try to do to encourage NISA to fix some of the recurring issues in their games.
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Personally, I always wish for there to be room in the budget for color manuals, I love packaging on a video game, I really don't know. It's a shame it's so expensive...
I drop the manual rating a level just for that. :p
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@ Marionette
I guess I implied the "Atlus" method of doing something like Persona 3&4 and not something botched like AT2 if space is the issue. I guess I wasn't clear enough or something, lol! Just wanted to share. I know I like to look up game cutscenes and such on Youtube and that helps me alot while also still playing the game.
All I can say is, I wish NISA well on future endeavors. Its not easy pleasing everybody with many rules on the table.
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Persona 4 and 3 are very text/dialogue heavy games, I believe there would only be room for one track on there but I can't say for certain. Hours of dialogue, animated cut scenes, 3D models, it all adds up in the end. Whatever the case, sacrifices sometimes have to be made in localization, although I don't know if that was the situation with AT2.
I don't think space was an issue for AT2, personally. It could have been many things, lack of communication, not enough time or money for a budget, there's even some untranslated lines in there- it's all about providing a polished product, you know? It takes a lot of work, so hopefully things shape up in the future. 
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Ah, okay, Uiru. I wasn't aware that by "fully dubbed," the person who started this thread meant every part voiced in Japanese to be voiced in English.
I wouldn't call that being fully dubbed. That's more like...a standard dub. You know, to match another soundtrack. If it didn't, that would be a partial dub.
Being told it was done "fully," and later finding out that there is unspoken dialogue would shake one's faith in the honesty of the publisher.
Atlus made a screw-up like that before. They were talking about Yggdra Union: We'll Never Fight Alone being fully voiced, but later retracted the statement, saying the dub only matched the Japanese soundtrack.
Although "fully" does mean complete, as in the dub being completed. So I guess it could go either way, but people not understanding the term in the same way could cause problems for a company making such a statement. (You and I are examples of people having a different understanding of the term.)
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And a majority is a greater number of people of a certain position, as opposed to smaller amounts of people of one or more differing positions--not everyone. Of course they should do sub work; it would be foolish not to aim for the minority as well.
And on the loyalty issue... Well, you pulled out of context there. I said to maintain loyal customers! That doesn't mean for a company to make the customers approve of every little thing they do. Potential markets would be lost doing that.
I'll give an example. I prefer dub, because I understand it.
(Well, I also prefer having the sub option because I want to learn Japanese, move there someday, and play my games in a whole new way later, but for this example, pretend I don't care for it.)
So I would like NISA to make their games in English dub, rather than giving me English subtitles and a Japanese track. But let's just say they don't do that for a game I'm interested in.
Well, you know what I do? Deal. (That's what I meant by just accepting it. The world revolves around everyone.)
Am I no longer a loyal customer? No, of course not. NISA does indeed show me that they still care because they still make dubs.
I see loyalty more like following a company's products because the company happens to make things you like. It doesn't mean approving of and loving every little thing. Or purchasing all of them, for that matter.
The sad thing is that the sub fans generally get the cheap end of the deal. These video games are pretty much a cultural representation of Japan, and the sub enthusiasts want to have an authentic experience.
Really, they are a good market. They are. But they're just a smaller one. (Not to say smaller ones can't be better, of course!)
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Go ahead and name ONE game that was released sub-only (in English). Muramasa isn't out yet (I don't think) so you can't use that one. Go ahead. One.
Off the top of my head, Mega Man X6. I could probably think of more.
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Go ahead and name ONE game that was released sub-only (in English). Muramasa isn't out yet (I don't think) so you can't use that one. Go ahead. One.
Off the top of my head, Mega Man X6. I could probably think of more.
Fate/Unlimited Codes, released for PSP on the PSN on September 3. I think it says 9/2, but that's a mistake.
Not that I want to build you a "to buy" list.
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Re: Will we ever get a fully dubbed RPG?
Fighting games (like Fate/Unlimited) are probably released sub-only or at least dual language more often than any other genre.
It's RPGs that usually need the most translation work specifically because they're the hardest games to play without being able to understand the story and make informed decisions throughout the game. That's also why you rarely see a significant debate of the issue in game communities outside of RPG communities.
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This thread is going so far off track... :p
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