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Re: Ar tonelico 3 officially announced! for PS3 (Scans)
If you want an RPG with HD sprites then you better be prepared for one long ass development cycle.
And I don't think we've seen nearly enough of AT3 to say whether it looks better than Rorona.
In any case I prefer crappy 3D to crappy 2D (Disgaea 3).
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Re: Ar tonelico 3 officially announced! for PS3 (Scans)
I've decided to write an open letter to address some of my concerns. I'll email it soon as well.
To whom it may concern:
My first game from you was Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia, which was strongly recommended by a friend. I adored it, and later the next game in that series. For taking these charming games from the far corners of obscure "across the pond", you have my gratitude.
However, in both of these games you made translation errors, though the problem is exponentially worse in the second game. Changing Misya to Misha and any other Y in a name to an H is fine, as that's the standard thing to do, though it does take away from the uniqueness of the world. And changing Mule to Mir is appreciated, considering the horse-donkey hybrid doesn’t go over well as a name. It is hard to complain about reasonable name changes. However, you also took things such as "EXEC_PAJA/." and changed it over to "EXEC_PURGER/.".
This doesn't look bad on the surface. You changed an Engrish name to English, right? But in reality, you changed a hymmnos name, and thus a name from a fictional language, to something English. Why? Do you honestly think that all the hymns in that game are without meaning? Each one has a specific story behind it, and the language itself can be spoken like any other despite being fictional. Why change major terms in the game? These terms even appear within the hymn lyrics and are not pronounced in an "English" way by the singers, not to mention the language is a huge part of the world.
But really, these changes are irritating at best. Some fans are outraged that you'd so much as touch the hymmnos, however, especially because of Luca Trulyworth, whose original surname (Truelywaath) has a hymmnos meaning.
The heart of the issue is your dubious translation of Ar tonelico II and the glitches you have inserted into it. You've gained yourself a reputation as a shoddy localization company, and you make us less inclined to buy your products. It is to the point where we fans of Ar tonelico are considering writing a letter in Japanese, gathering handwritten signatures, and sending it all to Gust. The letter asks them to "carefully consider" how their next game is treated during localization.
Just think upon it: you turned bad puns into nonsensical jokes, you altered personalities, you took subtle sexual suggestions that showed restraint and made them blatant, tasteless, innuendo, and you threw us back to the time when grammar mistakes were incredibly common. Honestly, has the script of Ar tonelico II ever been proofread? It’s absolutely deplorable.
As you very well know you screwed up on, there is also the matter of glitches in Ar tonelico II. Chiefly among them is the dreaded Raki glitch, which can luckily be avoided. But I do ask you this – how is it that so many testers have missed this? It is beyond belief. In addition, the game seemingly freezes at random; this is something I’ve experienced three times, one of which always happens if you wait for a specific sound effect, and the other two happened on a whim during loading. I haven’t even begun to touch upon the problems the game is riddled with, though the rest are of a minor significance.
Is it too much to ask for quality? As much as I adore the games, I’d gladly wait longer if I knew that these problems were being worked out, and surely other fans feel the same. But no, we actually did suffer a delay, and to what end?! Errors upon errors, proving your incompetence and sloppiness in the localization process.
Another issue is the voice acting. It is understandable that you might not be able to fit dual audio in one disk. However, is it too much to ask that you pick one of the languages? Personally, I’d prefer the English part to be fully voiced, but I understand that many think differently. Still, all of one language is preferable to little of both. Is Sakura Wars, with its two disks, an indication that you have learned that lesson, or just an experiment? Once lost, it is hard to regain trust.
Many Ar tonelico fans will be looking at Atelier Rorona as an indication of the possible quality for Ar tonelico III, as we suspect you to be the likely localizer of the third game. If you are truly the ones to localize it, then we beseech you – make it good. We fans paid just as much for Ar tonelico II as we would for a game from any other company, but we got less than half the quality. Is it any wonder that there is an outrage surrounding an otherwise wonderful game? We only want you to make the game worth our money.
It isn’t an outrageous request, is it?
With all due respect,
~Chloe B., AKA "Drachenmeister"
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To be perfectly honest, Drach, I understand your concerns, as well as your need to rave about them. However, considering how astronomically unlikely AT3 is to come over at all without NISA working on it, it behooves us not to go out trying to damage the chances of getting a localization at all by sending such a letter.
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Re: Ar tonelico 3 officially announced! for PS3 (Scans)
Honestly, I'd rather have anyone working on it rather than NISA.
But if I had to guess, NISA holds the rights to AT over here, so it's not like we can say "Hey, shun them!" I should probably revise that part; it's a little stronger than the letter really is.
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Re: Ar tonelico 3 officially announced! for PS3 (Scans)
actually, i thought NISA holds the rights to any game made by gust.
Truthfully, i don't think any company would have released any of their games in north america if it wasn't for NISA. I do think ATIII will come out here, but as for other gust games, i'm not sure. Atelier series comes to mind of what the future of that franchise is over here  (i'm not counting rorona, more at the DS atelier games)
edit: so, after watching the trailer i know 2 things for sure...
a) buying the soundtrack (no surprise here)
b) i don't like how the graphics and the animation interact. The graphic style just clashes with the animation i find although, i am a sucker for sprite base graphics....
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Re: Ar tonelico 3 officially announced! for PS3 (Scans)
Really, the issue most players are going to care about with AT2 are the game freezes. With the transition to PS3, the games will be patchable, so this pretty much becomes a non-issue. Both languages will likely get full voice tracks with the PS3 disc's greatly expanded storage capacity, again making this a non-issue (at the very least, the Japanese track won't get cut, which is all I really care about). Almost no one is going to care about paltry name changes that are common in the industry anyway. More effort being put into the translation, particularly in the proofreading department, would be welcome however.
There's a lot to complain about with AT2, but the most important issues will solve themselves, simply with the system change. Thus I don't see any major reason to be worried about AT3 or Atelier Rorona.
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How typical...
By calling them as "paltry name changes" you will never understand what was the true meaning they had (neither what the Hymmnos songs and dialogues are supposed to mean).
If these names didn't have any meaning or significance behind, then changing them wouldn't have brought so many problems.
And also, we are forgetting too about touching terminology terms that shouldn't be touched?
Such as changing Dynamic Waves to conductor waves and the like, or the eternal indecision between Grathnode and Glasno, or ignoring that the name of one certain character was supposed to be alien and unfeminine, because of actually being the name of the robot she rides, and still it ended being romanized as a typical girl name?
Sorry, but I agree with Drachen here, and I hope that the localization for At3 (if NISA ends doing it) is not only well-made both from the translation and editing standpoint, but also, that they keep on mind the terminology of the world of Ar Ciel, and also, that if one name has even the slightest possibility of being related to Hymmnos, to please research it a little (not to mention to reach a final decision with the established terminology, and don't change the terms that don't have an actual reason to be changed).
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Really, the issue most players are going to care about with AT2 are the game freezes. With the transition to PS3, the games will be patchable, so this pretty much becomes a non-issue. Both languages will likely get full voice tracks with the PS3 disc's greatly expanded storage capacity, again making this a non-issue (at the very least, the Japanese track won't get cut, which is all I really care about). Almost no one is going to care about paltry name changes that are common in the industry anyway. More effort being put into the translation, particularly in the proofreading department, would be welcome however.
The message you're sending is "it's okay to be lazy as long as you fix it up later". We shouldn't have to be bothered. It's really not outlandish to want a perfect game right outta the box - it's the way we want *all* products.
And the name changes are excessive. I really have little problem with changing Implanta to Implanter except for the fact that it isn't related to either English or Japanese. If it were, by all means, Implanter, please! The game has its own language; it should be honored.
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What's all this talk about AT2 glitches and freezes? I got through the entire game without a single issue. It was awesome
NOW ANNOUNCE AT3 FOR US, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ar tonelico 3 officially announced! for PS3 (Scans)
I got the trailer link below !!! Enjoy.
Ar Tonelico 3 Trailer
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