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Re: How do thick people become elected?
You accused me saying that "you do know that Israeli isnt a synonym for Jewish" implying that I hated Jews and was against Israel because they were Jewish so dont muddy the water and try to wriggle out of it.
You are foaming at the mouth in a characteristic way and taking everything personally when it is a discussion. You then rant on and become a bully.
Strange that as nothing I said was aimed at you. You are so tedious when you get like this and it is impossible to have a discussion or exchange of views which is a shame.
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24/Feb/08, 13:28
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Glitter1
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Re: How do thick people become elected?
No, there can be no discussion when one of the people in the discussion is blind to any other point of view. You are completely unreasonable.
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24/Feb/08, 17:26
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No simpson I wont be coming back because you are not open to any discussion as I have said before.
Your belligerence and hostility to any view but your own make any discussion impossible because it will quickly degenerate into your usual bullying style.
You talk about racism with no knowledge of what it actually means and your association with anything which is anti Israeli equaling Jew hating is frankly infantile.
Anyone can dislike a government and a behaviour of that government without hating a whole people. Israelis themselves are ashamed of many of the things they do and your stance borders on the sort of viewpoint which opened this thread, intolerant bigoted against palestinians and narrow minded in the extreme.
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25/Feb/08, 9:35
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Re: How do thick people become elected?
No simpson I wont be coming back because you are not open to any discussion as I have said before.
Your belligerence and hostility to any view but your own make any discussion impossible because it will quickly degenerate into your usual bullying style.
You talk about racism with no knowledge of what it actually means and your association with anything which is anti Israeli equaling Jew hating is frankly infantile.
Anyone can dislike a government and a behaviour of that government without hating a whole people. Israelis themselves are ashamed of many of the things they do and your stance borders on the sort of viewpoint which opened this thread, intolerant bigoted against palestinians and narrow minded in the extreme.
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25/Feb/08, 9:35
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I personally have a problem with any state set up on the basis of being a religious state. The very nature of Isreal is Zionist, and Zionism assumes many repulsive things, like you have an automatic right to the land you wish no matter what, and **** everybody else coz they're not "the chosen ones" like you, hence you're automatically better than everybody else and should take preference over them. Hmm - should we allow other Zionists to have their own state? Let the Rastafarians take over present day Ethiopia and if the people currently living there don't like this rastafarian Zion, well tough? I mean, according to Rastafarian beliefs, it's their Zion, like Israel to the Jews, so come on UN - a Rasta state in East Africa! I don't think so. Israel really should never have been created, displacing what was then Palestine in its wake, but it was created and we have to deal with that now. Demanding its removal after all this time is unjust, we need to be flexible, but the Israelis need to be flexible too.
I have Jewish friends in the UK who don't agree with what Israel is doing, and I resent this Fox News-level assumption that if you criticize Israel you're automatically anti-Semetic. Granted, it's a freer state that many of its neighbours. If you want to look at how much true social freedom there is in a country, just look at how a society treats its women and its gays. Only Lebanon comes remotely close and yes, as a gay man I'd rather live in Israel than any of its neighbours. However let us not think that means that Israel is some sort of gay haven or feminist paradise, because it is neither even if it is streets ahead of the Arab states.
None of this though is particularly relevant to the way the Palestinians have been treated by Israel, which is nothing short of atrocious. I don't believe Hammas are freedom fighters, I believe they're a band of fascist, terrorist dictators, but we have to ask what levels of absolute desperation drove the Palestinians to elect them democratically? The outcome could have been different had Israel behaved differently.
Back to the original point. How do thick people get elected? Because sometimes very unintelligent people can make themselves seem plausible, and appeal to populist prejudices. Homophobia still exists everywhere, and stupid homophobes will still vote on issues such as gay marriage and adoption, as if the economy and society is realy going to fall apart if a lesbian couple gives an orphan a loving home.
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25/Feb/08, 17:13
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Israel is not a religious state.
Criticism of Israel is not automatically anti-semitic, but neither is it automatically NOT anti-semitic.
"Desperation" is not an excuse for voting for Nazis. We wouldn't accept such an excuse in Europe, so why accept it in the Middle East.
The Palestinians' "desperation" is largely of their own making. They have been offered a state four times since 1947; each time, they could have eased their "desperation". They didn't, preferring to concentrate their energies on trying to destroy Israel. Tough noogies, basically, if you now live behind a big ****-off wall - perhaps if you stopped sending self-detonating "martyrs" into Israel to kill innocent men women and children, and stopped voting for Jew-hating fascist scum, the wall wouldn't now exist.
And Uber - in what way is Israel not a true democracy? Please do expand on this.
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