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Citizenship and oaths to the queen on leaving school
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Apparently Gordon thinks kids should take an oath on leaving school to Queen and country. I think this is a ridiculous idea and well done Scotland as usual for saying no!
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11/Mar/08, 8:29
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Kylie Selassie
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No problem with making kids feel they belong to the same country, but have a problem with pledging allegiance to an unelected head of state. In any modern democracy, if you don't like the head of state, you wait for the next election and do your bit to help vote them out, but in an archaic monarchy, you don't have that freedom. So no, I wouldn't want kids to pledge allegiance to this symbol of oppression, class domination and unmerited privelige that the queen represents. I'd rather they were encouraged to debate the issue in political science and sociology classes, or better in a philosophy class, that lack of which marks British high school education out from many other systems where kids are taught to analyse and think for themselves. If they then want to make the free choice to pledge an oath to the queen, Karl Marx, the pope or Roland Rat, they've then made an informed choice.
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mad jock
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"Swearing" is as close to any oath of alegiance I could come to. Fortunately Lizzie has excluded herself from Scotland by declaring hersely to be Liz the 2nd. Not that it matters much as I would still have a problem swearing an oath to an unemployed old bag who lives off handouts and encourages her large family to do the same! 
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11/Mar/08, 10:46
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I agree about feeling part of your country as Jock obviously does!  I am not sure swearing an oath on leaving school is going to change anything and I certainly wont allow my kids to swear allegiance to the Queen! Although I dont think they would anyway.
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11/Mar/08, 19:07
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Kylie Selassie
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quote:
Uberposter wrote:
It is time we re-established our nationality, and sovereignty.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=5gNLdUiwdOg
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Uber chanting a few words wont achieve that though.
I think if we truly want better citizenship from our citizens and a sense of what being from the UK means then we need a far deeper conversation and a better answer than oh lets get everyone to swear allegiance when they leave school.
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13/Mar/08, 7:53
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I am old enough to remember singing the national anthem at school every day whilst being taught that all the red bits on the Atlas were once ours when we looked after the poor unfortunate natives, teaching them the joys of christianity and the benefits of giving all their natural wealth to our own dear capitalists.
I can also remember the national anthem being played in the cinema after the main film. People stood to attention while it played.  Naturally we Scots walked out, preferably just before it played. I also used to get nasty looks from people when I refuse to stand for the national anthem. Fortunately no-one seems to play it anywhere I go now so its not an issue anymore.
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