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And maybe I'm just a weirdo, but money really isn't all that important to me. I wouldn't be a lecturer if it were. Oh yes, it's nice not to have to worry about money too much, but once I've got enough to live a fairly reasonable life on (you know, go out once a week maybe for a few jars, enough food in the fridge etc) I'm contented.
Spoken like a true bachelor!!
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I agree Jemma,
I think the problem is that nurses are unhappy not underpaid but they often express this unhappiness in dissatisfaction about their pay, Trust, etc.
Having dropped two grades and been less stressed by it I can agree with you, though I would like the extra money!
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Glad people weren't too offended by my comments... :-)
It really does come down to happiness in the end (as Dave has said...)if you weren't happy in you're personal life, you'd change something.
If you aren't happy being a nurse...don't be.
If you are happy being a nurse and you feel satisfied and content that you are making a difference to people's happiness and lives, then you won't worry about the pay too much as long as (as simpson has already pointed out) you have the money to get buy with a bit of a luxury here and there!
I must confess I was quite excited when the details of the pay proposal came through - couldn't believe how much money my starting salary might be when I qualify in 3 years!!! But I'm not going to get my hopes up because of the problems it's likely to face. Even if the starting salary for Band 5 nurses stayed the same, I certainly won't complain at almost £20k a year!
We were also told at induction to my university, that is costs around £35k - £40k to train every nurse, so I feel I am getting my money's worth really even now. Yeah the bursary is not a lot, but it is survivable if you budget (as I have very carefully done), nothing to pay to tutition fees and placements.
The thought of spending 10 years working as an HCA for a trust before they might sponser me to do the course is simply unbearable so I'm relieved I have been able to start now having never thought it would be financially possible until I looked into things properly.
(by the way, I have nothing against HCA's, I'm just pleased I could jump right in and start my RGN training having thought I wouldn't be able to do something like this until much later in life!)
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money as said above isnt.shouldnt be the issue...but more and more our roles diversify away from direct patinet care and in over 30 years I havent witnessed as much change in roles of a staffnurse as recently as much more is experieced of basic band 5 than ever before with expectations of a managerial role withour remunerations simply because it is after hours rather than mon to fri 9pm till 4 or 5 pm...I still think the goverment has a lot to answer for and YES i enjoy my direct patinet contact but hate the everincreasing paperwork and beurocracy which prevents spplies for patient care being readily available...some may call it hiccups but when ordering has to be done in amounts less than a specified amount to prevent requirement of upper management signatures which cannot readi,ly be come by...it does mean more amin work to do so at ground level...times change and things have to move on to accomaodate change but there will always be casualties along the way...and unfortunately more and more often it is the nurses on the work floor who suffer the repurcussions....on behaldf of relatives of pts who feel we have not met thier expectations of the NHS...and thus students see this also and wonder if it is really for them...
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Dave1510 wrote:Interestingly, there is very little link between happiness and money even though people often assume that having more money will make them happier. There has been a huge amount of research in this area and the conclusions are that once you reach a basic survival level (about £10,000 pa in the UK) then there is no link between having more money and being happier.
Having spent over 50 years being poor and miserable I'd be quite willing to try being rich and miserable.
Or as I once heard a millionaire say "being rich isn't everything, but it sure as hell beats whatever comes second"
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This has been an interesting discussion but I am a little puzzled by some of the answers. I thought we were getting away from the idea of nursing being a vocation.
Average Office Administrator salary - £15,828 pa
Average Secretary salary - £17,141
Average Office Manager salary - £20,883 pa
Average Retail Store Manager salary - £21,303 pa
Average Personal Assistant salary - £22,057
How long do these people actually train? What strange things to compare to the job of nursing.
As a nurse who has done my fair share of education are we not being remunerated for our qualifications and our length of training?
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Mrs Jollipop went for the job and got it
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