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Bhaakon
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6 back isn't mathematical elimination, but the chances of coming back from that deficit are miniscule. What do the odds have to be before you give your stamp of approval to sell? 10:1? 20:1?
Interestingly, the A's pythag record is actually 6 game better than the Angel's. Sometimes god just tells you to sell.
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7/17/2008, 8:44 pm
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Re: Beane being Beane
Acknowledging that another team has done a few moves right in a row should not be grounds to be invited to leave Giants nation.
I am a Giants fan through and through, and have bled black and orange since 1987. being a Giants fan does not, however, require that I chant "Giant legs good, A's legs bad" (Orwell reference, even if it was done badly).
What the A's have done in the last week or so, in a vacuum, is very good for the team. They were able to leverage two of their pieces for future pieces. Did they get TOP value? I will not pretend to know minor leaguers as well as you, but at least they are moving the pieces they do not need for this year. Giants fans on these boards have been screaming for Sabean do that for at least 3 years now.
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7/17/2008, 10:32 pm
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Bhaakon
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Chances of coming back are miniscule? They have 67 games left, and just have to win 7 more games than the Angels do. Six of those games are against each other!
It sounds easy when you say "just win 7 more games than the Angels," but it's not really that easy. 6 games out at this point isn't just 6 games out, it's also on pace to finish around 9-10 games out. They have to stop losing ground before they can start making it up. So, assuming the Angels hold their pace, the A's would have to be 10-11 games better in the final 67 games than they were in the first 95. How easy do you think it is for a team with a .537 winning percentage through 95 games to win at a .700 clip the rest of the way (which is what it would take for the A's to win 98 games, one ahead of the Angel's 97 win pace).
Also, the A's have already sold this season as rebuilding year. Stopping now, for the sake of an outside shot at beating the Angels, would put them behind the eight ball in their rebuilding effort. What's the point of making a 3-year plan if you just abandon it at the drop of a hat? It's one thing if they were actually leading the division, but they're not, they're 6 games out. Abandoning their plan the possibly hurting themselves in the long run isn't worth an outside shot at passing the Angels.
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7/17/2008, 11:10 pm
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Six games out was not a mountain for too many teams to mention in one post, but off the top:
64 Cards, 64 Yanks, 69 Mets, 78 Yankees, '87 Tigers ... and the '51 Giants.
I don't see how the A's can win a WS with this approach of consistenly trading their better players for prospects year in and out. That's not how they won titles in the past.
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Beane started the year (well, actually, the offseason) saying "we can't win it this year, so let's restock for the future". He blew off the entire year back in Nov, and is simply continuing with that idea of restocking with talent to build a better (multi-year) future.
With the trades made since Dec (Haren, Swisher, Kotsay, Harden and now Blanton) the A's have acquired a double handful of talent and have positioned for the next 5-9 years - they can sign FAs to *complement* the young team they have built, instead of signing (a double handful of) FAs to *be* their future team. Maybe Giants fans can't see that because we're used to "only six games out" in late July leading to a trade for Shea Hillenbrand.
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Who says trading Blanton hurts the A's this season -- he has been awful this year and Beane netted the #2 and #4 prospects (according to BA) in the Phillies system for him.
I don't know how good the Phillies system is at this point, but he did manage to get two of their top five.
Swisher has had a bad year as well -- sometimes Beane has a knack for trading his players right before they tank -- see Mark Mulder (who by the way he acquired Dan Haren for). He has missed though as well -- see Tim Hudson.
Also with his payroll constraints -- he has to trade some of these players -- Beane has worked with a smaller budget than Sabean for years and yet the A's have been just as if not more competitive during their respective tenures. Beane is the superior GM.
Give Bean Pac Bell Park and the Giants budget and I am pretty sure the attendance for his team would be just fine. The A's don't draw b/c they play in a ****hole and they have limited funds.
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Beane did not miss with Hudson - Hudson was traded with one year before FA. Perfect timing.
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7/18/2008, 9:15 am
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I could be wrong, but I think none of the players he got back for Hudson have done anything and Hudson has pitched reasonably well since being traded. My point was not the timing on the Hudson trade just that it has not worked out as well as say the Mulder trade did.
He also missed by resigning Chavez -- he is worse than Feliz and makes 2.5 times more. He picked the wrong guy to re-sign there.
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