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barrance
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Exactly, I've said the same thing previously. The only truth I can say about Beane is that he has the balls to make the trades that most of his counterparts would not. However, they haven't all been golden. He stiffed the Cards with the Mulder trade, but got jack for the Hudson trade. He passed on signing Tejada and Giambi, but signed Chavez instead (although that may have had to do with 'roids suspicions?).
In any case, he did this once not too long ago, and the A's "future" was supposed to be Haren, Blanton, Swisher, etc... now they are all gone. I'm not saying that they don't have a lot of young talent in the minors, but until I see them win a championship, all he's done is trade MLB players for multiple MiLB players. Based on track record, it looks like it's just as likely that we're back here talking about the haul he got for Gio Gonzalez as opposed to their WS ring.
BTW, all you guys complaining about Sabean not doing the same thing should take a look at the guys Beane is trading. He's not trading the Ray Durhams and Rich Aurilias on his team.
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7/18/2008, 10:40 am
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BTW, all you guys complaining about Sabean not doing the same thing should take a look at the guys Beane is trading. He's not trading the Ray Durhams and Rich Aurilias on his team.
I for one, am fine with Sabean trading anyone not named Tim Lincecum.
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7/18/2008, 10:45 am
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Chances of coming back are miniscule? They have 67 games left, and just have to win 7 more games than the Angels do. Six of those games are against each other!
It sounds easy when you say "just win 7 more games than the Angels," but it's not really that easy. 6 games out at this point isn't just 6 games out, it's also on pace to finish around 9-10 games out. They have to stop losing ground before they can start making it up. So, assuming the Angels hold their pace, the A's would have to be 10-11 games better in the final 67 games than they were in the first 95. How easy do you think it is for a team with a .537 winning percentage through 95 games to win at a .700 clip the rest of the way (which is what it would take for the A's to win 98 games, one ahead of the Angel's 97 win pace).
Also, the A's have already sold this season as rebuilding year. Stopping now, for the sake of an outside shot at beating the Angels, would put them behind the eight ball in their rebuilding effort. What's the point of making a 3-year plan if you just abandon it at the drop of a hat? It's one thing if they were actually leading the division, but they're not, they're 6 games out. Abandoning their plan the possibly hurting themselves in the long run isn't worth an outside shot at passing the Angels.
It doesn't appear to me that the A's have a "long run"...They just get rid of every decent player they get so they don't have to pay them. The team will never win a championship until Beane decides "Hey, tomorrow has come"...
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7/18/2008, 11:05 am
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BTW, all you guys complaining about Sabean not doing the same thing should take a look at the guys Beane is trading. He's not trading the Ray Durhams and Rich Aurilias on his team.
Exactly Beane has acquired players that other team actually want -- since 2000 the A's have made the playoffs 5 times the last time being in 2006 and the Giants have made the playoffs four times since 1997 with the last time being in 2003. The Giants will have their fourth straight losing season this year.
Sabean could have traded Durham two years ago, when he was arguably the best hitting second baseman in all of baseball, but he held onto him.
Joe Blanton has 5.00 ERA this year and Rich Harden gets hurt every other start and yet Beane still manager to trade both.
Give Beane's the Giants revenues and budget and I am pretty sure they would have had a superior record to the A's.
The A's in 2001-2003 won 103, 102 and 96 games -- those team had legit shots to go to the WS. Anything can happen in the playoffs.
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7/18/2008, 11:11 am
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It doesn't appear to me that the A's have a "long run"...They just get rid of every decent player they get so they don't have to pay them. The team will never win a championship until Beane decides "Hey, tomorrow has come"...
1) The Marlins did
2) The A's "tomorrow" is when the new stadium gets built. Which, if it goes as planned, will be just in time to pay for this crop of talent.
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7/18/2008, 11:12 am
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It is so sad that the Marlins have won two WS and the Giants in 50+ years have zero -- the Marlins used two approaches -- they overspent one year to bring in talent -- The Giants could have done this with Vlad and then the Marlins built a team through the draft, int'l signings and through trades.
Hell they are better than the Giants right now with 1/3 the payroll.
I would love either approach, but the 1/2 way approach is not working. The Giants need to stay committed to the second approach for at least three years, then spend big to fill one or two holes (they have too many holes right now to buy their way to competitiveness).
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7/18/2008, 11:20 am
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It doesn't appear to me that the A's have a "long run"...They just get rid of every decent player they get so they don't have to pay them. The team will never win a championship until Beane decides "Hey, tomorrow has come"...
1) The Marlins did
2) The A's "tomorrow" is when the new stadium gets built. Which, if it goes as planned, will be just in time to pay for this crop of talent.
Scenario's are different but the A's aren't the Marlins....are they? Now, if you asked me if the Marlins would win another someday I'd give you another answer....
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7/18/2008, 11:51 am
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BTW, all you guys complaining about Sabean not doing the same thing should take a look at the guys Beane is trading. He's not trading the Ray Durhams and Rich Aurilias on his team.
Exactly Beane has acquired players that other team actually want -- since 2000 the A's have made the playoffs 5 times the last time being in 2006 and the Giants have made the playoffs four times since 1997 with the last time being in 2003. The Giants will have their fourth straight losing season this year.
Hey giantc, your name isn't Mark is it?  My coworker and I had this same discussion 2 weeks ago.
What is the measure of success? Just making it to the playoffs? I know the A's made it more times in the last 10 years, but they also got bounced in the 1st round 4 years in a row. Would you rather have 4 consecutive first round exits in the playoffs or 1 year making it to the WS?
In any case, Nimbus put it nicely. Setting yourself up for the future is one thing, but if "tomorrow" never comes, what's the point? The A's have already gone through a few iterations of this strategy and have nothing to show for it. I suppose making it to the playoffs every year is great for some fans, but I want a ring. Ask the Sharks fans what they think about this.
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7/18/2008, 12:17 pm
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BTW, all you guys complaining about Sabean not doing the same thing should take a look at the guys Beane is trading. He's not trading the Ray Durhams and Rich Aurilias on his team.
Exactly Beane has acquired players that other team actually want -- since 2000 the A's have made the playoffs 5 times the last time being in 2006 and the Giants have made the playoffs four times since 1997 with the last time being in 2003. The Giants will have their fourth straight losing season this year.
Hey giantc, your name isn't Mark is it? My coworker and I had this same discussion 2 weeks ago.
What is the measure of success? Just making it to the playoffs? I know the A's made it more times in the last 10 years, but they also got bounced in the 1st round 4 years in a row. Would you rather have 4 consecutive first round exits in the playoffs or 1 year making it to the WS?
In any case, Nimbus put it nicely. Setting yourself up for the future is one thing, but if "tomorrow" never comes, what's the point? The A's have already gone through a few iterations of this strategy and have nothing to show for it. I suppose making it to the playoffs every year is great for some fans, but I want a ring. Ask the Sharks fans what they think about this.
Especially in baseball, ANYTHING can happen in a 7 game series. Ask Colorado, Florida, Atlanta, Seattle, etc.
You can only field a team to make it, and hope that the surrounding circumstances allow you to advance. The more you make it, the better chance you have to win it all.
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7/18/2008, 12:25 pm
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 with calsnowskier -- to imply Beane did not do his job by fielding teams that won 102 and 103 games is ridiculous -- those A's teams were legitimate threats to win the WS.
1/2 the teams make the playoffs in baseball compared to Hockey and Basketball and all that make it have a legit shot at the World Series. So just making the playoffs in basketball is a lot different than being the WC team in baseball.
Beane has built some teams that were perfectly capable of winning it all -- nobody thought the Angels were going to win the WS the year they did and nobody thought the second Marlins team was capable of winning it all.
2-3 good startes, a solid bullpen and timely hitting can get you through the playoffs. Getting to the playoffs is proving to be very difficult for the Giants lately.
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7/18/2008, 1:39 pm
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