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Egan2581
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Re: Lock up Lincecum now
The longer Sabean waits to do this, the higher the price goes. He needs to take Tim's contract talks off the back burner and put them front and center now. Hell, it should have been a priority back in ST when Lincecum and his agent said they were open to a long term deal.
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6/30/2009, 6:54 am
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Nine Buck
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Re: Lock up Lincecum now
Question- if you wake up at 5 AM and your first thought is about Timmy's outing last night-- but you DON'T have morning wood, is that ok?
Or should I have had morning wood, and therefore it is a cause for concern, and perhaps even calls for some viagra?
Just wondering.
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6/30/2009, 8:28 am
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Re: Lock up Lincecum now
Lincecum should be getting Santana-like $$$
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6/30/2009, 9:15 am
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Lock up Lincecum now
not till he is a FA.
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6/30/2009, 9:16 am
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Re: Lock up Lincecum now
The most relevant numbers to this discussion are,4 million, 4.35 million, and 10 million.
Wang lost his arb case with the Yankees in 2008. He was asking 4.6 and the Yankees submitted 4. The Yankees won. 4 million is the largest arbitration award to a starting pitcher ever. In my opinion, Lincecum's agent would be foolish to submit anything below 5 this offseason when Lince hits his first arb cycle.
4.35 is the first year salary of Cole Hamels as part of his 3 year 20.5 million dollar deal.
10 million is the largest award ever given. Both Ryan Howard and Andruw Jones won their cases with these numbers.
Considering these numbers, I think that Lincecum could easily win with a number in the 5-6 million range, and that is about what he sould expect in the first year of any multi year deal he might sign with the Giants. 4 years at 5.5, 8, 10, 13 would probably be a comfortable ball park for both parties.
I had previously thought that Lince could easily get 8, as I think his value to the GIants is much closer to that of Howard to the Phillies than Wang to the Yanks, but I just don't see an arbiter granting a reward doubling the previous record for a SP. Maybe he could get 7, but I don't think his agent would risk that.
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6/30/2009, 9:26 am
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Howard won an MVP the year before his case went to arb, Lince could have two Cy's so maybe he could pull that 8 number. I don't there's anyone who as ever been remotely close to what Lincecum has accomplished in his first two full seasons during the arbitration era.
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6/30/2009, 9:35 am
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I don't know what kind of funny math you're using fresh, but 10 will be the baseline. Super 2 baby.
I may very well be exposing my lack of knowledge on the CBA but what does Super 2 have to do with the amount of an arbitration award? The Wang deal is the highest EVER. Super two or not.
So I just found this on Cot's.
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# 1 year/$4.35M (2006), plus performance bonuses
* re-signed 1/06 (avoided arbitration)
* 06:$4.35M ($0.2M up front, $2.65M in 06, $1.5M deferred)
* performance bonuses: $50,000 for 35 g, $0.1M for Cy Young, $25,000 each for All-Star selection & Silver Slugger
* record for 1st-time arbitration-eligible starting pitcher
This says that in 2006 Willis, who was a super 2 set the record. Not sure why the Yankees claimed Wang set the record at 4 in 2008
Now based on this I think Lincecum could fall into the 6-7 range, but 10 would be akin to Strasburg and the 50 million. I just can't see it happening.
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6/30/2009, 10:25 am
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10 million is the largest award ever given. Both Ryan Howard and Andruw Jones won their cases with these numbers.
I believe that Andruw Jones got $8.2M in arb, not $10M. And with Jones, it wasn't his first arb-eligible year, like it will be with Timmy (and like it was for Howard).
One should be looking at arb awards for first-year-eligible players, not any player who ever received a large arbitration award. Howard is a good match, but he plays every day, not once every 5 days.
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6/30/2009, 10:35 am
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