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He's worth the risk, but I just don't think the Sox would give him up. He's one of the few good young building blocks in an old lineup.
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6/26/2009, 2:59 pm
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So would they hang up if sabean threw names like Alderson and Crawford at them?
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6/26/2009, 3:01 pm
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So would they hang up if sabean threw names like Alderson and Crawford at them?
I wouldn't give up those prospects for a guy that has been on the DL this year.
Also, I think that the White Sox still think that they are in the race. I actually see them adding players not dealing away young guys at the trade deadline.
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So would they hang up if sabean threw names like Alderson and Crawford at them?
I wouldn't give up those prospects for a guy that has been on the DL this year.
Also, I think that the White Sox still think that they are in the race. I actually see them adding players not dealing away young guys at the trade deadline.
Just sayin'
He should be back after the all star break and the reason he's an attractive target is that he still has 3 years under team control.
I get the point that the White Sox are a hot two weeks from serious contention, and of course they would have to be a willing participant, and considering history they might have to be more than 6-7 games out of the playoffs to trade with the Giants.
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6/26/2009, 3:08 pm
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Re: Quentin: Buy low.
the White Sox would be fooling themselves if they think they are serious contenders.... their pitching is horrendous
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6/26/2009, 3:08 pm
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I'm pretty sure they would hang up on that offer (I know I would). Would you trade Sandoval for that package? Because, even with the injuries, that's probably about how much Quentin means to the Sox's future.
Slightly off topic, but I was listening to Tolbert early this afternoon and he related a scouting report on Alderson from one of his buddies (who happens to work as a scout for the Rangers, making his annual rotation through through Norwich). It wasn't a favorable review: Alderson gets by with excellent command of a high-80's fastball and average secondary pitches, mid-rotation upside; it really made him sound like Yusmeiro Petit or Jerome Williams redux (my names, not his). If that's how other organizations see him, I think we may be overestimating his trade value (and possibly his prospect ranking).
The report on Bumgarner was sunnier. Top of the rotation potential with an elite fastball, but his secondary pitches are still works in progress, and he's probably farther off than most Giants fans seem to think.
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I'm pretty sure they would hang up on that offer (I know I would). Would you trade Sandoval for that package? Because, even with the injuries, that's probably about how much Quentin means to the Sox's future.
Slightly off topic, but I was listening to Tolbert early this afternoon and he related a scouting report on Alderson from one of his buddies (who happens to work as a scout for the Rangers, making his annual rotation through through Norwich). It wasn't a favorable review: Alderson gets by with excellent command of a high-80's fastball and average secondary pitches, mid-rotation upside; it really made him sound like Yusmeiro Petit or Jerome Williams redux (my names, not his). If that's how other organizations see him, I think we may be overestimating his trade value (and possibly his prospect ranking).
The report on Bumgarner was sunnier. Top of the rotation potential with an elite fastball, but his secondary pitches are still works in progress, and he's probably farther off than most Giants fans seem to think.
That doesn't surprise me all that much. My understanding was that he was 90-91 so not a lot better than that report. I never expected him to be better than a good 3, but if you can get a good 3 for 4-5 years at a decent price that's still hard to beat.
Having seen Bumgarner's K rate drop in A+ then again in AA, I figured it was his developing secondary pitches that needed improvement.
Nice to hear an external opinion on these guys. Thanks for the update.
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Slightly off topic, but I was listening to Tolbert early this afternoon and he related a scouting report on Alderson from one of his buddies ... Alderson gets by with excellent command of a high-80's fastball and average secondary pitches, mid-rotation upside ...
{this isn't a knock - it's a serious question. I'm curious to hear people's opinion on this}
So how does that differ from Greg Maddux? I never really followed his career closely, but wasn't his strength *excellent* command of average pitches, late movement on the (not fast) fastball, and a great changeup ? Isn't that what the scouting report above is (well, except for the great changeup)?
And homegrown "middle of the rotation starter" is just fine with me. If MadBum and Alderson come up mid-year 2010 (and are successful #2 and #3 starters), that makes Cain tradable for a super-package of great prospects.
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6/26/2009, 3:32 pm
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Bhaakon
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My understanding (and this was before my time, so I can't attest) was that Maddux had a really plus, plus low-nineties sinker when he first came up. Comparable to Brandon Webb. Statistically, at least, young Maddux was nothing like mature Maddux; he walked batters a lot more often in his early Cubs days.
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