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Order ofMelchizedek
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New Louisiana Law
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Baton Rouge – Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal signed into law the Louisiana Science Education Act, ensuring the state’s teachers their right to teach the scientific evidence both for and against Darwinian evolution.
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The sad thing is, why do we actually need a law in order to teach scientific evidence both for and against a particular theory?
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7/17/2008, 3:24 pm
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What's the real scientific evidence AGAINST Darwinian evolution? Creationism and Intelligent Design is not science, MEL.
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7/17/2008, 3:25 pm
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Many creationist sites present "evidence against evolution", usually lists with accompanying analysis - for example - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5. The arguments often involve propositional logic, which scientists avoid because it's sensitive to misleading premises
Why do scientists reject such arguments? Creationists suggest it's prejudice. Keep in mind, however, that scientists are trained to question assumptions; whereas creationists are taught to protect core assumptions.
Without scientific research experience, the apologetic nature of "arguments against evolution" may not be apparent. These arguments don't address or (experimentally) test specific hypotheses. In point of fact antievolution "arguments" are rationalizing by apologists. Apologists begin with conclusions, then collect arguments favoring the conclusion and casting doubt on alternatives. Apologetics are scientifically unacceptable. Scientists on the other hand make predictions (not retrodictions) which distinguish among models. They test these predictions. The scientific community accepts theories which survive rigorous testing.
The American scientific community has accepted the "theory of evolution" since about 1873 (death of Louis Agassiz - the last influential opponent of evolution). Evidence is, in fact, rapidly accumulating for evolution (not against it). Only a superior model can overturn evolution, and none is on the horizon. Although there's still much that evolution can't explain, there's no serious debate about acceptability of evolution within the scientific community.
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7/17/2008, 3:28 pm
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What is creationism?
Creationism is at one extreme simply admission that ultimate origins are beyond comprehension. At the other extreme creationism is a form (actually several forms) of organized ignorance. It's goal is to circumvent science by creating apologetic alternatives. Typically apologists make arguments but avoid testing hypotheses. Creationists seek to obscure science and to solicit testimony from scientists chosen for religious beliefs rather than scientific credentials. Creationism (including intelligent design) is marketed to religious groups and not to the scientific community. It promotes fundamentalist religious views and obscures science. For a concrete example Vision University offers a Masters Degree program in creationism which requires no science at all. Basic science courses are weak to nonexistent at most bible colleges.
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What's the real scientific evidence AGAINST Darwinian evolution?
That there is no definitive, tangible proof demonstrating macro-evolution.
And, I say this as someone who agrees with evolution.
But, just because I agree with it, doesn't mean it has no holes.
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I don't know anything about God or Gods. For all I know there may be many. Somehow I doubt that a God would give a **** one way or another what is taught in public schools on that insignificant little blue planet. LOL
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Order ofMelchizedek
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Re: New Louisiana Law
Ah, you're always good for a few laughs, Steve. 
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The law will not allow for inclusion of religion. Section 1D of the law clearly states that the law “shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs, or promote discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion.”
So again, we jump off the topic at hand. If there is no evidence against it, why supress it? Why does a law have to be made? What are they afraid of?
Actually, according to this law, your religion of Darwinian evolution should not be taught in the first place. 
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7/17/2008, 3:39 pm
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Order of meth continues with his lies, and war against science...
go fu*k yourself...better yet...go fu*k your wife...when was the last time you satisfied her, you impotent piece of ****??
Well...if she's looking for some pleasure...give me a call...
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Order ofMelchizedek
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Re: New Louisiana Law
I love science, Corona! Awesome stuff that the Creator has put in place for us!
But Darwin and his theory are not scientific.
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7/17/2008, 3:46 pm
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