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This Sums Up Americans And Voting, Completely
Markos Moulitsas
There was one middle-aged woman working the operation that day, roughly 50 years old. The TV was on the background and I heard "Obama" and "Afghanistan" in the same sentence. I asked, "Oh, is Obama already in Afghanistan?" She shrugged. "I don't know. I haven't followed the news."
I stayed quiet, because ill and desperate for sleep, I thought I might squeeze a quick catnap before my segment came on. But the woman continued on her own. "I'm really disenchanted with McCain." Oh, I responded, was she an Obama person? "No, I don't like him either. I don't trust him. And my daughter, she hates him."
I inquired further, why? "Because he's not patriotic, with the flag pin and the pledge of allegiance and his wife!" So we determined that she wasn't going to vote, which was disappointing to American democracy, but good for us because she had been a reliable Republican voter. My interest piqued, I dug a little further: given how the economy was going, people losing their homes, the cost of gas through the roof, none of that was as important as a flag pin?
"Well, they can't do nothing about those things." Aha. The Frank theory, of course. Well, I responded, what about health care, are you happy with your health care? She lit up, "I know no one who is happy with their health care!" and then segued into a rant about the disgraceful state of the health care system. Well, I responded, Democrats are working for universal healthcare, but Republicans have gotten in the way. But we'll be able to do it next year.
"Ain't no one who can fix that stuff," she sighed, slumping. That brief expression of fire and brimstone snuffed out in an instant. She was adamant that it was all hopeless. Fair enough. She didn't look like someone who'd had an easy life. Health care had touched a nerve, so who knows what sad story or stories she had to tell on that front. But Republicans had convinced her that government was powerless to do anything about it, so ... flag pins!
I had one last argument up my sleeve. Look, I get it, I told her, government hasn't given us many reasons to be confident of late. I can certainly empathize. But can we make a deal? If Democrats push through universal health care in the next four years, will you vote for Barack Obama in 2012?
She looked initially uncomfortable at the thought, but after a pause and a brief internal struggle, she softened and said, "Yeah, I will."
That, in a nutshell, is what Kristol and Ponnuru and Lowry and every conservative in this country fears the most
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Yeah, one person out of 130 million voter sums up U.S. voters.
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Yet, no universal healthcare - unconstitutional in any event, not that that's any concern to dimdems - when the democrat Clinton was president with a democrat majority Congress.
Wonder why that was?
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I seem to remember it was a Republican Congress during most of Clintons terms in office...
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I seem to remember it was a Republican Congress during most of Clintons terms in office...
"Most" is not "all," steveatl.
Did Rutgers fail to teach you that, as well?
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During the 1990’s, a democratic president was in power, however, (starting in 1994) the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. (until 2006)
Clinton was in power from 1992 to 2000. That's 75% of his term, Congress was Republican. I don't remember the health care reform ideas being introduced until much later than 1994, Ck.
So where did you go to school? Dungeons and Dragons Community College of Texas?
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with a dim majority in congress
not one senator who is running for president has even introduced health care legislation
they SAY they have a plan ......
but is is a secret plan for ending the war in viet nam
oooooooops
wrong plan
but just as REAL
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Clinton was in power from 1992 to 2000. That's 75% of his term, Congress was Republican.
Thus, not all.
See how that works?
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I don't remember the health care reform ideas being introduced until much later than 1994, Ck.
Didn't pay much attention, then, did you, steveatl?
"Bill Clinton had campaigned heavily on health care in the 1992 election."
1992 predates 1994 - even predates "much later than 1994."
And, then this tidbit;
"Additionally, federal law guarantees public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay."
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So where did you go to school? Dungeons and Dragons Community College of Texas?
Obviously, I went to a better school than Rutgers.
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Ah, sweetie, I don't care if he campaigned for it or now. He was dealing with a conservative Dem Congress from 92-94, then 94-00 he had Republicans in charge.
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you still have it wrong, though. the democrats are not a lock step party, like the republicans. they can be whipped into shape, even by nasty little morons like tom delay, but the democrats are too independent and spirited to just bend over and follow the party line like lemmings. so, a small democratic majority is a lot different than a small republican majority, because the repubs have that goose-stepping, must follow the party, nazi mindset going on. in short, they are cowardly political whores.
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