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Early Swivo Collets with two screws
I found these on an Eagle Badge Spotlight bass drum, and was surprised to see only two screws on the collet plate. Was this common during the B&B era? I'd never seen it before...thought I'd share a pic.
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
Let me guess...black interior -eagle badge drum?
That is correct. The early plates are only held on by 2 bolts. Guess after the first batch made they realized it would be more secure with 4. Proper early proper.
Peace, Gary
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
Thanks Gary! The bass drum interior is gray, but the snare that came with it has a black interior. There are 5 collets total on the bass drum - the two off to the sides on top have the two screws, but the other three collets each have four screws. The small tom with the set also has a four screw collet.
Here's each drum, maybe it can help nail down the transition from black to gray interior paint, but I bet you already know that info!
Snare drum - Spotlight 8199, black interior, eagle badge
Bass drum - Spotlight 8858, gray interior, eagle badge
Small tom - Spotlight 8894, gray interior, eagle badge
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
MLVBS, what color are the drums?
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9/4/2008, 5:07 pm
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
Tommy, blue sparkle, faded somewhat. Every single lug is cracked, and the BD shell is damaged, so I'll be parting them out. The floor was a gorgeous Beavertail lug 14x14, already sold.
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
I have a Spotlight snare, mahogany, with pirate badge S/N 8962 and a mahogany eagle badge 16" Holiday floor tom, S/N 12529. Interesting S/N variants compared with yours. Wish we had Bruce's S/N guide. 
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
So somewhere between Spotlight 8894 and Spotlight 8962, Rogers switched from the Eagle Badge to the Pirate Script logo. We've got it down to a 68 digit margin!
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
Yes. But what about the high number on the Holiday 16" floor tom? I'd like to see some others with Eagle and Pirate badges around that time.
This is the ****tail outfit. I recently won an Upbeat pedal on eBay, so now all I need is the official swivo ****tail snare arm, and it's a complete Astoria.
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
Whoops! Just realized I stole your thread, MLVBS. Apologies! We can continue this elsewhere.
I'm just wondering how an Eagle tom was paired with a Pirate snare. As Rogers-o said earlier, it could have been something that somebody ordered separately a few years apart.
But why would you have a floor tom sitting around at home with "nothing to do?" My theory is that the tom was originally mated with a Cozy Cole combo outfit at a drum shop somewhere. These were set up so that you could play a full set, or break everything down to a ****tail outfit. Your "double pedal" arrangement was one on the bass drum, and one on the floor tom. So, a customer comes into the shop and wants to buy the combo outfit less the "extra" floor tom arrangement. So the music shop is left with an orphan floor tom with Eagle badge hanging around the drum shop for a year or two. Since it has a ****tail swivo collet on it, they decide to buy the pieces to complete an Astoria outfit, and sell it that way. In reality, it is nearly impossible to find an Astoria with a Spotlight snare and floor tom...in Mahogany, no less.
When I bought this, it came with the cymbal arm and swivo ****tail arm, which I "robbed" for Stew McGoo. It was missing the pedal until now.
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Re: Early Swivo Collets with two screws
Those 2-bolt plates were used in the beginning, 57-58 I think.
Back in the day, a lot of small shops kept various drums in inventory, as well as complete sets. This allowed them to deliver a kit the way a customer wanted it, on the spot. If one of the drums was on the shelf for a year or so, the mis-matched production details walked out the door with the buyer.
And as always, be careful of trying to pinpoint a specific serial number as a turning point of a component change. Those tags sat in a bin on various assembly benches, and in the course of being used they got mixed up. Also, new tags were put in the box on top of a few remaining older tags and really mixed thing up. Serials are useful for general trends, but don't slice it too fine..
Also, when new parts were introduced, they were used at the same time as the older ones, until the older ones were used up and a small supply went to the 'parts dept' for repair/warrantee orders etc.
Most manufacturing companies offered the standard 'Specifications and materals may be changed without notice' disclaimer, even back then.
"Everything was transitional."
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