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trapstdw
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The "Loner" Kit
Here's the set of Rogers I am playing now. The owner wants to restore them to original, I just wanna play'em, so begins the task of dating them and collecting original mounting hardware. It has a 12", 13", 14", 15" rack toms, 16" floor & 22" bass, Big "R" USA, No labels inside, No Re-ring, unpainted inside. I say late 1979, Londoner 7, in Blue Mist. I came to this conclusion, how? Info I collected from this forum. Does anyone agree? I have more pics if needed. Pictured are the set as I found it and the 12" Tom
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12/23/2007, 8:14 pm
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musicbybj
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Re: The "Loner" Kit
Look like XP8's. The blue mist finish wasn't available until 1980. With those toms it's a Londoner VII which wasn't available in 1980 but you could order any configuration you wanted from Rogers.
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ThePloughman
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Re: The "Loner" Kit
How deep does he want to go on this restoration? Removing the RIMS and going back to memrilock as a whole kit system? One thing he could do, especially if you are happier with the sound of the drums as they are. This would be to have some unobtrusive plates fabricated from fairly light guage, yet heavy enough to be stiff Stainless, keep them in a profile small enough to be about the same footprint as the Memrilock Tom mount and cover the holes using two carriage bolts in the upper and lower holes. If you want them mounted on the bass drum, then you could utilize the memrilock mount, the one inch tube and whatever mounting system you desire simply by having a double tom stem and the tom mounts of choice on the RIMS. It would be totally a matter of personal preference, and would in no way mean additional mods to the drums. I would recommend however obtaining all the Memrilock hardware you need to bring this set back to specs, now, rather than wait till later. Its gonna go up.
Another thing...... on the spur mounts, replace the two inner mounting screws with something just slightly longer and get some 1.5" fender washers that are at least 1/16" thick. This will significantly reduce the shell stress in this area, and I highly recommend it on all Big R Five Ply bass drums. One of the fender washers has to be slightly trimmed to fit against the mounting tube where it penetrates the shell, but this mod, ..........can save your drum.
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12/23/2007, 11:28 pm
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tommykat1
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Re: The "Loner" Kit
XP8s, for sure. No rerings, natural interior finish, and the Big R badge is 180 degrees opposite the mount. Nice shells.
I agree with Ploughman: get the hardware NOW. The XP8s still fall under the radar, but as time goes by they will come of age and go up in value. There were few XP8s made, and sources say that they were the best shells that Rogers produced.
Jack, I do believe that the Londoner 7 was available in 1980 (see catalogs). That is when I bought my Londoner 7 tobacco sunburst. One theory is that the 1980 models--which were produced when the factory had moved from Fullerton to Monrovia for about a year--were the models that did not have serial numbers. They also did not have the felt lug isolators, which were introduced in 1982, after the move back to Fullerton from Mexico.
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ThePloughman
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As to the "you could order anything" I seriously believe that was true. I have the original Nov. 1977 sales receipt for my Super Londoner which was not in any catalogue. 24, 13, 14, 15, 18 with the Dynasonic COB 5x14. Complete with H&B Econoline fibre cases, and Paiste 2oo2 cymbals. I bought this set in 1979 from that original owner.
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Cool, Ploughman! Would this be a "Super Londoner VI" then??? How were the toms mounted? Also, this would be a 5 ply, correct? Would love to see pics of this.
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trapstdw
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Re: The "Loner" Kit
I have begun cleaning the toms and thier not in perfect shape. I don't believe the rims are original, on two of them there is a sticker that says "CANNON Hoop 13" 6-hole". Rust on some of the hardware goes pretty deep and the wrap has some deep scatches and stains. I'm not gonna suggest the owner buy hardware and think he'll have a mint set of XP8. I do think they'll tune up well. Maybe in thirds. I'll get some more pics after everythings done.
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The Ploughman is right on suggesting that we install larger washers on 5 ply Big R bass drum spur mounts. I got two bass drum recently. One was mint, but the other one showed cracking beside both spur legs right at the small washers. So taking the ploughman's advice (after I epoxied the cracking nicely) I found 4 fender washers with a quarter inch hole, about 1 and a quarter inch diameter. I installed them around the original bolts. Worked real nice and I am positive this will prevent future cracking that can occur around those big R bass drum spurs. thanks for the tip.
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12/28/2007, 1:55 pm
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The bass drum with my 1977 kit........the kit I bought when I was 19 in 1979,,,,,,,,, is a replacement, that I found in 2001 on ebay. The original had been broken 10 years earlier, when some idiot moved my gear at the church. There was no reason for it to be moved, and no one ever fessed up to having done it. But the shell was cracked, and while I was extremely careful with it, it did lean. I even had some 20 guage stainless plates made for both mounts, and that gave it a lot of stability. But it took just over 10 years to find a drum in my color, with a serial in close range to the original. Its gotten to the point now, I can forget its a replacement, and often do. And best of all.........it is still a 14x24. That washer trick will save a lot of grief, and for pennies.
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Re: The "Loner" Kit
I'm enjoying reading about this. I love these threads on Big Rs and XP8s. More! I want to see pictures of the other drums in the Londoner 7 outfit. What's taking you guys so long?!!! 
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12/28/2007, 8:22 pm
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