SHJIHM :: Religious Phenomenon :: Fresh tests on Shroud of Turin ~ Runboard
"There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church, which is, of course, quite a different thing." -Bishop Fulton J. Sheen
Placating terrorists, meeting with dictators, compassion for murderers... but no humanity for the unborn... incredible.
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Fresh tests on Shroud of Turin The Oxford laboratory that declared the Turin Shroud to be a medieval fake 20 years ago is investigating claims that its findings were wrong.
The head of the world-renowned laboratory has admitted that carbon dating tests it carried out on Christendom's most famous relic may be inaccurate.
Re: Fresh tests on Shroud of Turin Usually they are, Tony. We will have to wait and see. I would be more comfortable if it was just released as a scientific paper and not immediately rolled into a television special.
My question is, where did they get the samples to test? I doubt the diocese of Turin would want to sacrifice even more of the cloth for testing and there is valid suspicion that the material that was removed for the first test was not original to the Shroud.
I would be more comfortable if it was just released as a scientific paper and not immediately rolled into a television special.
Exactly. Could not agree more.
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My question is, where did they get the samples to test. I doubt the diocese of Turin would want to sacrifice even more of the cloth for testing and there is valid suspicion that the material that was removed for the first test was not original to the Shroud.
I thought the Church has announced that there will be no more tests allowed to be performed on the shroud? And I'm sure that it has been established that the cloth tested originally did indeed come from the repaired portion of the Shroud that was discovered no too long ago during a restoration in 2000.
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Re: Fresh tests on Shroud of Turin I also heard the same thing. No more destructive analyses.
As I recall, the samples were all taken from ONE location (they were supposed to come from multiple locations) because, at the time the samples were taken, the curator became very upset that too much of the cloth would be cut away. Apparently, there was a very, very animated disagreement between the curator and the sampling team. That one location turned out to be a spot that had been repaired (some original cloth was replaced) in medieval times.
Gee, what a 'coincidence' that turned out to be the age result the Oxford guys came up with !
The director of one of three laboratories that dismissed the shroud as a medieval artifact 20 years ago has called for the science community to reinvestigate the linen's authenticity.
"With the radiocarbon measurements and with all of the other evidence which we have about the shroud, there does seem to be a conflict in the interpretation of the different evidence," said Christopher Ramsey, director of England's Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, which carried out radiocarbon dating tests on the cloth in 1988.
The mystery of the Shroud of Turin, a 14-foot-long cloth that many thought may have been the burial cloth of Jesus until scientists reported radiocarbon dating established it as no older than Medieval times, is being resurrected.
John Jackson, a physics lecturer at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, has convinced scientists who performed the age tests on the cloth housed in Turin, Italy, since in the 1500s to consider his suggestion that those tests may have been faulty, according to a report in the Denver Post.
Re: Fresh tests on Shroud of Turin Michael - I started a similiar thread on the imdb board, but got a pretty negative response. Personally, I wish the Vatican would approve more testing.
Radiocarbon dating by three separate laboratories showed that the shroud originated in the Middle Ages, leaving the "shroud crowd" reeling. Shroud skeptics responded, "We told you so." The Catholic Church admitted that it could not be authentic. Many scientists backed away.
But John Jackson, one of the shroud's most prominent researchers, was among those who insisted that the results made no sense. Too much else about the shroud, they said, including characteristics of the cloth and details in the image, suggested that it was much older.
Twenty years later, Jackson, 62, is getting his chance to challenge the radiocarbon dating. Oxford University, which participated in the original radiocarbon testing, has agreed to work with him in reconsidering the age of the shroud.
If the challenge is successful, Jackson hopes to be allowed to reexamine the shroud, which is owned by the Vatican and stored in a protective chamber in the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy.
Jackson, a physicist who teaches at the University of Colorado, hypothesizes that contamination of the cloth by elevated levels of carbon monoxide skewed the 1988 carbon-14 dating by 1,300 years.
"It's the radiocarbon date that to our minds is like a square peg in a round hole. It's not fitting properly, and the question is why," he said.
On that point, Christopher Ramsey, head of the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, seems to agree.
"There is a lot of other evidence that suggests to many that the shroud is older than the radiocarbon dates allow, and so further research is certainly needed," says a statement on his website. "Only by doing this will people be able to arrive at a coherent history of the shroud which takes into account and explains all of the available scientific and historical information."
