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AdMajoremDeiGloriam
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Do you think it will affect you , half a world away ?
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On September 11th, 2001, we learned that time and distance dont protect us from anything anymore. Our problem, however, is remembering that lesson.
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Michael D
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I am not certain how one would attempt to apply the lessons of 9/11 to the Kosovo situation as it is the U.S. that has fought to enlarge the Muslim foothold in the Balkans. Whether this is a game of geopolitics where a greater Albania is considered to be a spear pointed at the potential pan-Slavic empire of central and eastern Europe or if it pointed at western Europe's own jugular in a suicidal pact by decadent European elites or both is difficult to determine right now. Neither option will bode well for the U.S. people in the long run. Of course the U.S. elites appear to have also opted to commit cultural suicide so perhaps the point is moot.

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Everyone remember why the Crusades were fought?

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Tony,
To secure access to the Holy Sepulchre.

quote:

Will American Empire End Before It Ends the World?

By Paul Craig Roberts

The hypocrisy of US government officials is boundless. On February 18, the US government inflamed Serbians by recognizing Muslim separatists in Kosovo, a historic province of Serbia, as an independent country. Two hundred thousand Serbs marched in protest and the US embassy in Belgrade was damaged. Is this surprising? No, not unless you are an official in the American Empire. The notorious Empire Neocon Counsel, Azlmay Khalilzad, Bush’s representative to the UN, declared: "I’m outraged by the mob attack."

What’s an embassy building compared to a province of Serbia, a province that stirs nationalist sentiments associated with the Serbs' long military struggles with the Turks? Had it not been for the Serbs, Europeans would probably be Turks.

To neocon Khalilzad a province of Serbia is nothing. It is merely real estate to be given away by US recognition bestowed on a break-away movement led by what some consider to be a gang of Muslim drug runners.

Secretary of State Condi Rice also found the Serbian response to the US giving away part of their country to be "intolerable."

Former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke also sees no reason for the Serbs to be upset that America gave away part of their country. He explained away the Serbian protests by declaring: "The Russians are behind this."

We can understand why US diplomacy is a failure when we see our diplomats explaining that, had it not been for the Russians stirring them up, Serbians wouldn’t have noticed the loss of a historic part of their country.

Perhaps Kosovo should have its independence. However, the US government could not have handled the issue in a more provocative way.

Washington has been interfering in Serbian internal affairs since the Clinton administration. Told that Americans had to prevent genocide, few paid enough attention to Washington’s facilitation of the breakup of the Yugoslav state during the 1990s and to the Clinton administration’s bombing and murder of Serbian civilians in order to support Muslim separatists in Kosovo in 1999. Clinton used NATO as cover, but the bombing campaign was not backed by the UN Security Council. Bombs fell on Serbia for 78 days, taking out public infrastructure, bridges, factories, power stations, petrochemical plants, telecommunications facilities, markets, refugees, the Chinese Embassy and a passenger train. "Sorry honey, tell the kids I won’t be home tonight. President Clinton decided to bomb my train." Cluster bombs and depleted uranium were used. Clearly, the US government and its NATO puppets were guilty of war crimes under the Nuremberg standard.

Americans were told by an obedient media that the bombings were necessary in order to prevent Yugoslav leader, Slobodan Milosevic, from committing war crimes against the separatists who were stealing part of his country. After Clinton’s bombings intimidated the Serbian political establishment, Milosevic was turned out of office and handed over to the Americans for a payment of several hundred million dollars and delivered to the Hague for trial as a war criminal.

Milosevic represented himself at his trial and was more than a match for the trumped up charges. Unfortunately, he died in prison. Many believe he was helped on his way by an embarrassed American Empire unable to convict him.

What is the US government’s secret agenda in the Balkans? Why is the US government on the side of Muslims intent on severing Kosovo from Serbia? What is being served by creating a new Muslim state closer to Europe?

Whose interests are being served by Washington? Clearly, not our own. Or Europe’s.

And, please, none of that BS about "building freedom and democracy." As one of England’s most famous conservatives, Peregrine Worsthorne, wrote on February 20, America’s reputation as "the West’s conscience is fatally weakened."

Supposedly our time is the era of globalism and one worldism. Ancient European nationalities are dissolving into the European Union, a new super state. US corporations now have transnational interests devoid of any national loyalties. Yet, the US is hard at work dissolving a small Balkan state into even smaller constituent parts. Why is this happening? Why did Bush order US puppets in Britain, France and Germany to instantly recognize the historic Serbian province as a new Muslim state?

Is the new state of Kosovo, as rumors would have it, Richard Perle’s payoff to the Turks, or is the explanation that Serbia, like Palestine, Iraq, and Iran, lacking any international media reach, was easy for Empire Neocons to demonize in order to establish the precedent that Washington decides what territory belongs to who and who rules it. Clinton’s bombing of Serbia was a precedent for Bush’s bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq and now Africa and tomorrow Iran and Syria.

The day the Empire Crazies bomb Russia or China, we are all fried.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University.



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The strategy the West is using is to 'connect' Muslim nations with the West and secularize them before they 'connect' (or re-connect or stay connected) themselves with anti-western, Muslim theocracies. The idea being that a secularized Muslim nation in or near predominantly Muslim regions can be a 'Trojan Horse' for the West just like a Muslim nation in or near the West can be a 'Trojan Horse' for Islam.

IMO, that's the struggle or our age.

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Tom,
Those Muslims we are supposedly secularizing have destroyed a lot of churches and monasteries.

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Oh, I realize that, Michael. To the secularists who are implementing this strategy, that kind of destruction is supposed to fade as religion is replaced by consumerism. Who cares if a few Churches get burned down along the way? You see, those people behave that way because they cant afford BMWs. Just raise the standard of living and everyone forgets about the past. I wouldnt bet on that strategy with someone else's money!

In an age where anything of a religious nature is marginalized in the West, is it a surprise that nobody can see the root cause here is religion?? My last post was almost a word-for-word quote from the key speaker (policy guy from some Washington DC think tank) at two or three policy sessions I've sat in as part of my job (though what I do isnt really related to it. I sat in out of a general interest). In one of those sessions, I heard the speaker declare with total confidence that the root cause of all this strife is sex. They dont get it. They cant. Their worldview doesnt allow it or admit it. When you're a hammer, all your problems are a nail.
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Turkey is a perfect example of this failed strategy - a muslim nation - even one with a large economic growth - cannot be a secular one - see the headscarves debate and all that - they are simply turning into something resembling Iran , and still the US government is helping them . Deja vu all over again .

The US is trying to contain Russia and weaken the EU by supporting Turkey's ascension to the EU and now Kosovo's . They don't realise that a muslim -infested Europe and a weakened Russia puts them at risk . As Hamas once said " Thank you San Francisco liberals . You will die last "
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Wow, Tom. Can they be so clueless? I don't know what to say.

I remember when Germany was still partitioned between East and West I had traveled to Berlin as a youngster to visit relatives. Eastern attempts to bring the West down were still ongoing and included in part, in addition to financing student protests and such, making pornography ubiquitous to weaken the moral fiber of the people. So the U.S. has adopted the same strategy in regards to Muslims? I am not surprised though I have never heard it admitted before.

Here is a clue, they hate us because of our immorality. They hate us because of our feminism. They hate us because of our abortion. They hate us because of our pornography. They hate us because of our secularism. I wish there was some way to make American Christians understand what they are supporting by their blind embrace of the 'clash of cultures' paradigm.

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