SHJIHM :: Passion of The Christ :: Apocalypto ~ Runboard
"There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church, which is, of course, quite a different thing." -Bishop Fulton J. Sheen
Placating terrorists, meeting with dictators, compassion for murderers... but no humanity for the unborn... incredible.
OOT
Apocalypto How many people here believe that the war in Iraq resembles the garland wars ?
And how many people believe that democracy is about to end in USA ( and because of the muslims in EU too ) - see the Patriot Act , the new laws regarding wiretapping and so on ?
And how many people believe that democracy is about to end in USA ( and because of the muslims in EU too ) - see the Patriot Act , the new laws regarding wiretapping and so on ?
Yeah. It is pretty much over. I listened to a talk by former Attorney General John Ashcroft. This man is supposedly a Christian, a patriot, and a freedom loving man. Just ask him. But he does not get the contradiction that claims you need to give up freedom to be free. I am convinced all politicians are not only liars, but they know they are lying and have made the decision it is the right thing to do.
That's obvious - this new type of "christians" is worse than Bin Laden - because while Bin Laden is emulating Muhammad to the letter , these ones are in fact deceivers - they trade love for fear .
That's obvious - this new type of "christians" is worse than Bin Laden - because while Bin Laden is emulating Muhammad to the letter , these ones are in fact deceivers - they trade love for fear .
The worst that Bin Laden could do is kill people. He cannot overthrow the republic. These christians can be complicit in the destruction of liberty and limited government.
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Re: Apocalypto From BeliefNet:
Friday, September 29, 2006
Apocalypto Now
What does it mean when some of the best religion stories these days appear in New York magazine? It means the Apocalypse is near. Last week New York had a concise but interesting Q&A with Jay Bakker, son of Jim and Tammy Faye, who has moved to Brooklyn to found a hipster church. This week, columnist and Zeitgeist tour guide Kurt Andersen announces his heebie-jeebies at the ubiquity of apocalyptic thoughts in the culture just now, from Daniel Pinchbeck, author of the foreboding "The Return of Quetzalcoatl," to Mel Gibson and his new "Apocalypto." (Both focus on the Mayan civilization's demise.)
What bothers Andersen, in part, is that the apocalypse is no longer counted as a necessarily bad thing. "The nuttiest Islamists and Christians agree that the present hell in the Middle East is a hopeful sign of the end-times," he writes. He also notes that the apocalypse as a cause celebre belongs to neither the right nor the left. "Apocalypticism is one of those realms where the ideological spectrum bends into a circle and the extremes meet."
Mel better hope so. After offending Jews last month with his anti-Semitic tirade, his mouth has now gotten him into more trouble, this time with conservative fans, according to The New York Times, this time for comparing the American troop deployment in Iraq to the kind of human sacrifice depicted in his film.
The rest of the Times article debates whether Mel's conservative success in "The Passion," combined with the "Are you a Jew?" rant, will sink his movie's fortunes come Oscar time. Early reviews, like this one from a film-fest viewing with Mel in attendance, suggest the flick's so good the Academy won't be able to ignore it.
At any rate, Mel, as usual, is right on the trend. Says "One member of the audience asked Mel if he was saying that the decay of the Mayan empire was solely from within. Mel responded that he has always felt that the seeds for different civilizations demise always start from within." And guess what? " He does see the film as a metaphor for where we are today."
posted by Paul O'Donnell @ 5:44 PM | Comments
Apocalypto "The worst that Bin Laden could do is kill people. He cannot overthrow the republic. These christians can be complicit in the destruction of liberty and limited government."
Too bad you haven't played the game Deus Ex - it presents such a possible future , complete with chaos , poverty , plagues , terrorists and - above all - people pulling the strings to direct this downfall of course .
And I thought EU was full of lukewarms . The "Jesus Camp" incident makes me worry for the sanity of such "christians"
As for Apocalypto , I fear the mayan society described there is a good representation of our world , in many regards .
What bothers Andersen, in part, is that the apocalypse is no longer counted as a necessarily bad thing. "The nuttiest Islamists and Christians agree that the present hell in the Middle East is a hopeful sign of the end-times," he writes. He also notes that the apocalypse as a cause celebre belongs to neither the right nor the left. "Apocalypticism is one of those realms where the ideological spectrum bends into a circle and the extremes meet."
Mel better hope so.
I am not sure I see what one has to do with the other. This editorial seems to be throwing apocalyptic beliefs, especially millenarianism and rapturism, onto the same page as Mel's new movie and hoping people will confuse the two. These are the very people Mr. Gibson is potentially going to alienate with this film as many are convinced that God has ordered the U.S. invasion of the Middle East to bring about his apocalyptic plans. Mr. Gibson on the other hand is talking about the dangers to the U.S. because of these adventures.
The neocons only tolerated The Passion because they needed the support of the evangelicals. In these series of articles they seem to be trying to turn the evangelicals on Gibson.
Apocalypto "In these series of articles they seem to be trying to turn the evangelicals on Gibson."
The US evangelicals-neocons ( I don't know if there's a difference ) are fascinating for me - how can anyone claim to be devout and still follow Muhammad rather than Christ ?
At least the european lukewarms are not claiming anything except the love for money .
The US evangelicals-neocons ( I don't know if there's a difference ) are fascinating for me - how can anyone claim to be devout and still follow Muhammad rather than Christ ?
Muhammed?
They are devout, it is just that the object of their devotion tends to be worldly governments like the U.S. and Israel's.
It was a parable - they follow the way of Muhammad - they tend to live and die by the sword - like in that huge mayan sacrifice that is Iraq for example .
