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Senior Cup
I still cant understand how the P&D are allowed to enter their premier teams in the Senior cup rather than the Permier cup. Seems a tad fishy!. Surely a fair match up is their prem teams against ours Mount Gould vs Brixham United etc rather than our Div1 and 2 teams!. Unfair advantage against all SDL teams etc!!. Why did DCFA allow it!
I think if one of their Prem sides should win it we should complain and as an extreme boycott next year.
Justa personal view and not one of the cup
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Ted Sporting
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Re: Senior Cup
PLYMOUTH grassroots football clubs' last means of progressing up the national league ladder has gone due to lack of suitable stadia within the city boundaries.
The Plymouth and West Devon Combination Football League, which runs Saturday and Sunday matches for teams in the city, 'reluctantly' decided to close the route by abandoning their Premier Division at their recent AGM.
As a result of their action, starting in the 2009/10 season, no P&WD teams can move up the Football League pyramid system, via their nearest access point – the Peninsula League Division One East or Division One West.
Ian Leonard, chairman of P&WDFL, admitted it was a sad day for football in Plymouth, but insisted there was no real alternative.
Leonard blamed a combination of a paucity of suitable stadia in the Plymouth area and the knock-on effect of players opting to join the stronger, county football clubs had helped speed up the change.
He said he had been particularly disappointed by an inability or unwillingness by clubs in the Premier Division last term to upgrade their grounds to the standards necessary to progress up the pyramid.
The long-serving and hard-working city football chief also revealed that Saturday football would have three leagues and Sunday just the two divisions.
He said: "We took the action reluctantly and although it's a sad day for Plymouth and District football, we had no option, really.
"The quality of football is still high – look at Lakeside United's achievement in the FA Sunday Cup – but unfortunately the grounds are not up to standard.
"And it is this off-the-field situation that has been the biggest disappointment to me and resulted in Plymouth losing their Premier status.
"Having a Premier Division is the only way of moving up the league ladder, the grounds have to meet certain criteria and, sadly, they didn't.
"For example, stadia must have dug outs, fencing, proper changing rooms etc, to qualify for the Peninsula status.
"Look around you in Plymouth and you can see we're nowhere near good enough.
"We need to have grounds like Plymouth Parkway and Elburton Villa have and we don't.
"To their credit, a number of Saturday clubs did try and meet the requirements set for them last summer, but not enough.
"Assurances that were given were not met by all the clubs.
"Grassroots football in Plymouth has been in decline for some years, due to a number of factors.
"Chief among them are the change of people's working arrangements, poor facilities at our grounds and other social pressures.
"We've also lost a number of clubs and, therefore, footballers to the county leagues – either side of the Tamar – which is in a healthy state.
"It's definitely sad to have lose the Premier Division but, in reality, we were left with no choice."
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Re: Senior Cup
I agree with James it does seem a bit funny - surely its the ability of the team not the facilities that govern the standard. It sounds like the same division just called Div 1 instead of Premier. Bit like the Premiership and the old Div1 etc
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Oct/6/2009, 7:57
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Re: Senior Cup
Having played in the P&D Premier for quite a few seasons up until the season before last, I can tell you that the standard has decreased year upon year. Due to the lack in facilities and the fact that over the last few years people have been more interested in kicking people than playing football alot of players now play their football elsewhere if at all. Old Sutts and Mount Gould still have good sides although a decent South Devon Div 1 side coming up against any of the other P&D Div 1 (Premier) sides should not fear. Still living in Plymouth and having grown up playing with football with a few of the current Old Sutts players I am predicted their game friday night against our first team will be a close affair! Watch me get proved wrong now!
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Oct/6/2009, 11:09
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Re: Senior Cup
I raised this issue on the Peninsula League Website and Phil Hiscox has responded with the following post:
"The FA have confirmed that the Peninsula League can take a club who finishes in a promotion place of the top division of a feeder league, the label "Premier", "Senior" makes no difference at all so the story is flawed to say the least ! "
As I understand that, all the teams in their top division should be playing in the Premier Cup not the Senior Cup.
Mr Ian Leonard is not only Chairman of the P&WDCFL, but a very respected individual within Devon County FA and would obviously be privy to the same information as Phil........what is going on?
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Oct/6/2009, 22:28
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Re: Senior Cup
They are no longer a feeder league though.
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Oct/7/2009, 2:01
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This was Phil follow up post Ted:
"The SWP checked out this actual matter with the FA leagues manager and his reply was quite clear.
I guess nobody from the PWDCFL actually sought advice either from the FA or indeed made any contact with us when changing their status.
Clubs in the top division of that league are still welcome to apply for promotion which would be granted on the same provisos of ground standards and league position as any club in any of the other 5 feeder leagues."
If you finish top and have the required facilities, the Peninsula League will accept you. In my eyes that makes it a feeder league.
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Re: Senior Cup
If that was the case then: -
1 - Why change names from Prem to Div 1?
2 - Why did Devon FA change their Co. Cup from Prem to Senior?
In fact if it made no difference then why bother with any of it?
It will be interesting to see who is right between messers Hiscox and Leonard. As I understand it the P&WDCL is not an "official" feeder anymore and I believe a couple of clubs have already sent in applications to join the East Cornwall Premier.
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Re: Senior Cup
Some posts from Phil H on the swpleague forum on this recommend you read them... something fishy about all this...
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Oct/7/2009, 12:24
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Re: Senior Cup
Were Upton Reserves not beaten a couple years ago by a p & d 'premier' league team in the final?
Going off Phil Hiscox's posts then it would seem fords boss has a point and p & d teams should be in the premier cup and not the senior.
If i had to guess i would say Mr Hiscox is right on this one.
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