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Re: TBA members, I need your input
Hi Wendy, its Wade. What you said is incorrect. The bylaws where not sent in. The Certificate of Formation was sent in. The bylaws have to be enacted later. Until then they can be changed at anytime. For that matter so can the certificate of formation, by simply filing a Certificate of Amendment. The bylaws do not get filed with the Secretary of State. In fact they won't accept them if you tried. Once we get the bylaws drafted in a way that everyone can agree, then we will go through the process of ratifying them. At that time I think they should be posted on our website.That way everyone can see what they are. By the way the bylaws do NOT state anything about the state shoot. That will be done through a different resolution. One more thing, the bylaws can be amended, but only by the members. The directors cannot amend the bylaws. It would be up to a vote by the members to change the bylaws after they are enacted.
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One more thing. A corporation CAN be set up to be run by its members. When you do it this way, there is no board of directors, just members and officers. This is typical when you have a small corporation with say two to ten members. However, when you have a large number of members you usually delegate the management of the corporation to a board of directors. The reason for this has to do with the difficulty of trying to get a large number of people together to make decisions for the corporation.
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You're right, it's not in the by laws, but the document attached with the bylaws. The resolution. Here is my problem.
RESOLVED, that the Corporation shall hold a statewide championship bowfishing tournament annually at a time and
location to be determined by the Board of Directors.
The name of the tournament shall be called the "Texas Bowfishing State Championship" (State Tournament).
In determining the location of the State Tournament, a majority vote of the Board of Directors
on the specific lake shall be held at a special meeting of the Board of Directors
to be held not later than March 15th of the year in which the State Tournament is being held. In determining the location of the State Tournament,
the Board of Directors
may vote on any lake within the State of Texas, however, the Board of Directors
may only vote on lakes from a different region than the previous five years State Tournaments. Therefore, each annual State Tournament must be located in a different region until all regions have had one State Tournament within a 5 year period. The State Tournament will not be held any earlier than August 1st of each year, nor shall it be held later than August 31st of each year.
So, the board of directors have and hold and determine the lake, the time, etc but no where does it state the membership has the vote on the lake, the time, etc.
Did I not read this correctly?
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Yes, you read it correctly. In fact you read it verbatim. However, it is only a draft, based on my perception from the meeting. It was sent out for review and discussion only. I have invited and still invite further discussion for improvement of the language. We can always change it. If we prefer to have the members vote on the lake, then that is what we will do. We can do whatever we want as long as we make it fair for all the members of the TBA. That is our job as directors, come up with an organization, with rules that create fair standards for all members, no matter where their location. I am not so concerned with what we do, as much as I am that all members feel they are being treated fairly.
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Yes, you read it correctly. In fact you read it verbatim. However, it is only a draft, based on my perception from the meeting. It was sent out for review and discussion only. I have invited and still invite further discussion for improvement of the language. We can always change it. If we prefer to have the members vote on the lake, then that is what we will do. We can do whatever we want as long as we make it fair for all the members of the TBA. That is our job as directors, come up with an organization, with rules that create fair standards for all members, no matter where their location. I am not so concerned with what we do, as much as I am that all members feel they are being treated fairly.
I noticed that problem on the rough draft but since we hadn't started actively discussing this paperwork I hadn't brought it up yet.
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All of this bickering reminds me of a typical Little League baseball game. I wish all of you"grown-ups" would quit arguing, so us "kids" can get on with the game!
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Re: TBA members, I need your input
I think some are jumping the gun here. The By Laws are still being put together and then will be discussed and voted on.
I can promise you this. There will be gripes from some no matter what.
We have five of the best to help get the TBA on the right road, they just need to work together, and I know they can.
There are many other organizations out there and I am sure they stumbled and fell down trying to get started. We must remember to get up after falling and go forward.
It will probably take a couple of years before things smooth out. We have only been at it for a few weeks.
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Re: TBA members, I need your input
Let's not forget that all members do have a voice. Thru their elected representivie. This being a NEW organization (the board) it had to start somewhere. Just like any new organization, the 1st board is essentially appointed. After bylaws and the organization is set up, VOTING is set up. This is why the BOARD voted on us only serving 1 year (also in the bylaws), and to hold an election before or by the first annual meeting. Before accepting my postion on the board I made sure that I was the one that East Texas wanted to represent them. I'm sure some disagree and I can be voted out next year. Everytime I vote as a member of the board (one vote each) I represent the votes of all the members in my region. This is how your vote counts, thru your representitive. In the newsletter this will be stated and you will be told who your representitive is for this year (had to start somewhere) and their phone number, e-mail, etc... Sounds alot like what goes on in DC doesn't it. This is the best way for the TBA to work. The other way would be to have 66% or so consent in every issue voted on. Wade broke this down earlier today to the other board members that it would take 161 member votes to get anything done. 161 members, does anyone know how many people voted for the State Shoot this year? A lot less than 161. Now remember that has to be 161 for one lake, not total. Wade I know I am not getting this exactly right so lay it on the good people would you please.
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Let's not forget that all members do have a voice. Thru their elected representivie. This being a NEW organization (the board) it had to start somewhere. Just like any new organization, the 1st board is essentially appointed. After bylaws and the organization is set up, VOTING is set up. This is why the BOARD voted on us only serving 1 year (also in the bylaws), and to hold an election before or by the first annual meeting. Before accepting my postion on the board I made sure that I was the one that East Texas wanted to represent them. I'm sure some disagree and I can be voted out next year. Everytime I vote as a member of the board (one vote each) I represent the votes of all the members in my region. This is how your vote counts, thru your representitive. In the newsletter this will be stated and you will be told who your representitive is for this year (had to start somewhere) and their phone number, e-mail, etc... Sounds alot like what goes on in DC doesn't it. This is the best way for the TBA to work. The other way would be to have 66% or so consent in every issue voted on. Wade broke this down earlier today to the other board members that it would take 161 member votes to get anything done. 161 members, does anyone know how many people voted for the State Shoot this year? A lot less than 161. Now remember that has to be 161 for one lake, not total. Wade I know I am not getting this exactly right so lay it on the good people would you please.
The reason 161 people would have to vote is due to the corporations rules set fourth by the government that state you have to have a quorum for the vote to be official. This is why I don not like the corporation. If we did this as a LLC partnership, we could run this anyway we wanted to set it up and with membership included in the important decisions with the board OR officers taking care of the day to day business of the association. The wording of the corporation, states it is either board run or membership run, not a mix of both.
But the reason for this thread is to have membership input on ideas to be discussed amongst the directors before they are voted on and made into the new rules.
I believe the membership should be able to speak up before it's finalized. This is your opportunity to state what you would like or not like within the NEW TBA.
I threw some topics of discussion out there so you can comment on them. I'm very interested in hearing what you want, or don't want. So please, let us share in ideas for the future. I already stated what I don't like. I won't apologize for my thoughts. Jump in! The water is warm!
Let's hear what you have to say.
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The reason for a "quorum" is to keep it fair and to have equal representation. I'll use Wade's example.
"Imagine this, you have 250 members, you need a quorum to be able to even hold a vote. So you need at least 151 people to participate in the vote or the vote doesn’t count. You get 160 people to participate in the vote. 40 vote for Choke Canyon, 30 vote for Possum Kingdom, 30 vote for Toledo Bend, 30 vote for Lake Buchanan and 30 vote for Anahauc. Who wins? The majority of 160 is 81. No one got the majority. So do you say Choke Canyon got the most so it wins. That doesn’t make since, because 120 of the 160 voted against Choke Canyon. Thus, the vast majority is pissed off. ..."
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