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What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
There comes a time in everyone’s life when we start to question the way we do things. For me, it’s my workflow, especially when posting images on the web. I haven’t been very happy with my images lately, I find they look either too soft or too sharp and I just can’t figure out why. So I thought I’d pose the question:
What’s your b&w workflow when posting images on the web?
I’m sure each of us have different methods, steps and/or sequences in which we perform various PS functions.
How do you sharpen your images and when?
Which method do you use to down res image for the web and what final size do you end up with?
Do you use Neat Image? (I just started)
If so, when do you apply the filter?
Do use Save For Web? (I don't)
Should be interesting to hear how you end up with your final image.
PLEASE...try not to leave any steps out.
I’m hoping I can learn from some of you and become a better photographer.
Thanks in advance!
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
I edit the photo to completion, then I:
1. convert to sRGB, under edit>convert
2. Save for web under CS2, selecting highest resolution, and using Bicubic sharp.
3. I look the conversion over and see where I need additional contrast. I then look at the sharpness and see where I need to add more for web output.
4. If I need some more sharp. in places, I then selectively add it and then start at #2 again.
I usually try to remove all the noise before this time in the workflow, because I don't want to sharpen any noise of course....
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
Thanks, Mike, so when you convert to sRGB it flattens your file, do you immediately go to SAVE FOR WEB or do you go to:
IMAGE ~ IMAGE SIZE and change the Width ~ Height - Resolution boxes and select Bicubic sharper?
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
Steve, I immediately go to save for web. It does all the resizing in there for you...
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
Martin just explained that to me, I feel like a dinosaur.
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
Mike one last question, do you sharpen after SFW or before?
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
Heres what i do.
First i select the raw files i want to use, could be 1~2 or three files, from the Raws I get all the data needed in both deep shadow to brightest highlight, these are then blend in CS
I then run Neat Image a touch, i do not sharpen at this stage and save the file as a colour master, [if i remember to do that ]
Using the imagefactry plugin I convert to mono placing tones and contrast where I want, using the colour slider much like channel mixer. to increase contrast I sometimes run the same setting in IF twice over the same area, if highlights blow I simply reduce the muti filter down to say grade 1 and paint back the highlights.
Once finished in IF the next stage is to selectively lighten or darken where needed using levels, to finish the tonal ares just a slight pull up from the center of curves does the trick
Next is to apply neat image again selectively and use it to sharpen the image as well, I then run Glen Mitchel's scripts for sharpening the whole image, selectively applying it, then use the creative sharpen script of Glens to reduce haze, the next and final step is to apply a low amount of USM, selectively, now finished I save as a Tiff file.
Next step is to open the image into save for web in CS, set image size usually 700px longest side, save it and then re open in CS, selectively sharpen using Glens script for web sharpening, then I usually again pull the slider slightly up in curves to boost contrast a touch , save file and then upload.
You will notice I have mentioned selectively a lot, I feel this is often over looked,IE, sometimes noise reduction is only required for say a sky area or sharpening an entire image can ruin it as areas can be over done dependent on how the file as reacted to image manipulation previously, applying tones to certain areas rather than all gives far more control over the finished results,
I will use other tweaks, such as running again Glens diffuse glows in certain areas to give more luminance or the apparent look of that, gaussian blur to smooth out certain rough areas such as jaggy edges, and also to reduce glare from wet grass etc, but that's basically my work flow so hope it sounds clear 
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
I will be honest my workflow does change from time to time but I end with the image down at the size for the web.
If NEAT is required I use it selectively and I now do not use the pre-sets but the sliders.
Then I use Glens sharpening...sometimes twice if I want that crisp effect.(which I seen to be in to at the moment)
Then the vignette if desired.
Then the tone if desired
Then check/correct levels
Save for web usually on high or very high
and as reminded from the post below sRGB throughout
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
Steven,
I wont bore you with all the processes but I start by playing with the image in colour. I ahve found that often a colour image that is not " correct" becomes a good bw image. Especially when I work on flowers. (Haven't come to terms with portraits yet)
This starts with getting rid of the digital colour cast and setting black and white points using threshold.
Then I usually go into LAB mode to deal with the lightness and separate the colours to make them "pop".
I then use the various blend modes to vary the light and darkness of the image.
At this stage I usually sharpen. Sometimes I use usm in LAB lightness, sometimes convert to CMYK and sharpen in the K only.
The problem is that shapening is different for the web than for printing. An image can look over sharpened on the web but prints fine.
There are two forms of using usm for me.
1 the hiraloam methos. i.e. High radius and low amount
2. the normal method of high amount and low radius
Sometimes one is sufficient and sometimes need both.
When I feel this is OK I use the image factory plug in. But sometimes I will use Apply Image to mix the channels.
When I feel satisfied with this I may sharpen again if necessary.
I always convert to we using save for web in CS 800 on long side.
Hope this makes sense.
Sorry I nearly forgot I work in srgb North American General Purpose 2 all the time
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Re: What's Your B&W WorkFlow for the Web?
Already posted mine: http://com1.runboard.com/bthedigitalmonochromeforum.f22.t194979
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