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I'm not Tkitna but I play him like a bonafone once in awhile. I say top 3 are
Red Rose Speedway
Back to the Egg
Ringo the 4th
Ahhhh, Ringo the 4th - the last McCartney album with Wings on it.
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people need to listen to what's going on musically and not listen for the pop hooks. Paul's done that. He doesn't need that anymore. The song Vanilla Sky, in my opinion was a great leap for him artistically and musically.
As far a great Paul albums....
McCartney
Ram
Red Rose Speedway
Band On The Run
Venus and Mars
Devil May Run
Flowers In The Dirt
Off The Ground
Flaming Pie
That Russian album I can't pronounce
That far out weighs the crap. Many artists would kill to have one great album in their cannon.
Remember, Paul would release singles and not bother to include them on albums. His albums of that period would have been even greater
I agree that, too often, people only respond to a hook that grabs them quickly, rather than listening for the subtler (and more richly rewarding) things that may be going on just below the surface. But Paul built his reputation on his ability to write great hooks (or, at least, great melodies), so it's somewhat understandable that people notice when those qualities seem to be missing from something he releases.
It's been so long since I've heard "Vanilla Sky" that I don't remember enough of it to comment on it as a great creative leap of Paul's. But I couldn't help noticing that all (or, at least, most) of the albums you listed had songs on them with great hooks and melodies.
Paul's career has been so diverse that I think it's foolish to approach any new album of his with preconceived notions of what it'll sound like. On the other hand, crap is crap - and Paul has put out his share of pedestrian material over the years. Sometimes, for whatever reasons, it sounds like he's coasting - which is not unusual for an artist who's been around for decades (e.g., Elton John, and The Moody Blues). But I applaud him for not coasting as much as some/many do - and I really wish he'd do more of the kind of experimenting that often shows up as bonus tracks.
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The amazing thing about McCartney as Ed alluded to, is he has obscure stuff just out there waiting to be plucked off the vine. Example-"Flying to My Home"-originally a B-Side to "My Brave Face"
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I love Mac II.
Temporary Secretary. And he is really singing, "Anita". She could be a belly dancer.
I would always use On the Way and One of These Days on Beatle Fantasy Tape Mixes. Nice lead guitar on On the Way.
Brings back pleasant memories of the Summer of 1980 and those few months of sunshine before The Darkness.
...or Anita Bryant.
You're far more charitable than I.
I remember "On Of These Days" being one the few bright spots on the album - and I seem to recall "On The Way" being listenable as well (but it's been a LONG time since I've heard it). At the time, I gave Macartney II plenty of chances to grow on me, but it just didn't happen.
I'm glad somebody liked it, though. 
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people grow up and mature. They suffer loss and the struggles of life. They mellow with age. Like a world class athelete, one slows down and the senses are not as sharp and energy levels not as high, unless you're Barry Bonds or Rodger Clemens who defied age and got bigger, stronger and better as they aged. Hmmmmmm
Anyway, Paul stopped smoking weed which is probably why he deosn't hear those cool melodys in the air anymore.
I'm waiting for Jose Conseco to say he's responsible for Paul's lack of musical genius. He probably will claim he introduced Paul to Heather Mills.
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people grow up and mature. They suffer loss and the struggles of life. They mellow with age. Like a world class athelete, one slows down and the senses are not as sharp and energy levels not as high, unless you're Barry Bonds or Rodger Clemens who defied age and got bigger, stronger and better as they aged. Hmmmmmm
Anyway, Paul stopped smoking weed which is probably why he deosn't hear those cool melodys in the air anymore.
I'm waiting for Jose Conseco to say he's responsible for Paul's lack of musical genius. He probably will claim he introduced Paul to Heather Mills.
Although there are myriad reasons why artists seem to dry-up creatively - and many of those reasons are, undoubtedly, legitimate - I still think, more often than not, it's a case of getting old, rich, and lazy (especially for the ones who have been doing it for decades). For a lot of artists, it's just not as much fun anymore, they've done it long enough that it's lost it's shine (especially those that used to turn out two albums a year). Plus,their interests get divided up among other pursuits. There's nothing necessarily wrong with any of that - but, if an artist is going to coast, then they shouldn't charge full-price for a half-hearted effort. On the other hand, there's also a lot less pressure on an established artist by that point - because most aren't expected to put out albums but every few to several years - so it shouldn't be as hard to come up with an album's worth of good new material.
I also think ego plays a big part in many artists' creative down-turn. They are, very often, far less willing to genuinely collaborate with others than they were early in their careers (e.g., they'd rather write all the songs themselves, than have someone else get a writing credit). And if they're really famous/successful, then people are a lot less willing to tell them something sucks (and, often, the artist is a lot less receptive to such criticism - however true it may be).
It's true that some people mellow as they get older, but I find that to be a less than satisfactory excuse for putting out less than inspired music. Mellow doesn't have to be synonymous with crappy.
Growth and maturity, loss and the struggles of life, should be the kinds of things that give an artist a richer palette from which to paint. Such experiences should provide a deeper well from which to draw inspiration.
I think one generally only seems to have more energy when younger, but it's often just a case of having far fewer responsibilities to distract one's focus. As one gets older - and especially if one gets married and starts a family - there are more (and more serious) demands and resonsibilities that one's energy must be divided among. Also, most decreases in energy are often the result of things done to one's self earlier in life (it's amazing how things catch up to you).
Ah, drugs - and the destructive mythologies associated with them: they make you more creative, they're a short-cut to enlightenment, etc., etc.. I've got to be honest, I hate drugs. If anything, drugs are more responsible for the loss of creativity than for the increase of it. I've known lots of people who took drugs (of all kinds), and none of them were more creative because of it.
The evil of drugs is that, while they appear to be making you more creative, they're really stealing your ability to be truly creative. They, initially, lower the inhibitions that might keep you from trying something creatively daring - but at the same time, they're slowly stealing your ability to even conceive anything creatively daring. So, by the time an artist stops doing the drugs, their creativity has usually begun to wither away as well, and the public automatically assumes it's because they quit doing the drugs. It's very frustrating.
I've been writing songs for about 30 years, and I can't count the number of times I've been asked what I was smokin' when I wrote a particular song - and, when told I didn't take drugs, they were/are often reluctant to believe me. I mainly blame it on '60s propagandists (you know, the one's who proudly proclaim that "if you remember the '60s, then you didn't experience the '60s" - but who then go on and on, at great length and in intricate detail, about exactly what the '60s were like) who have perpetuated the big lie that drugs were a major catalyst for the creative explosion during the '60s.
Creative inhibitions can be overcome creatively - it's just that it's harder to do (as is anything truly worth doing). But it's ultimately far more satisfying and lasting.
I give PMcC a lot of credit for continuing to try new things, and work with new people, to stretch himself creatively. It may not always work, but at least he has the balls to try - most artists his age (or even younger) wouldn't or couldn't.
Jose Conseco...(I can't believe your reference doesn't get a Phunnee. Damn.). Can we get Nolan Ryan to do to Jose what he did to Robin Ventura back in '93? Pleeeeease??? And while we're at it, can we blame Jose for Pipes Of Peace? Or do we blame that on the pot??
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The amazing thing about McCartney as Ed alluded to, is he has obscure stuff just out there waiting to be plucked off the vine. Example-"Flying to My Home"-originally a B-Side to "My Brave Face"
I completely agree that Paul has stuff (released and unreleased) that people will be discovering and rediscovering for years after he has stopped making music.
I haven't heard "Flying to My Home", but you've aroused my curiosity.
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I'm not Tkitna but I play him like a bonafone once in awhile. ...
That explains the chapped lips.
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I, perhaps, should clarify that I don't consider an artist creatively lazy just because they don't do something groundbreaking everytime they make an album. I mean, I'm not completely unreasonable (just mostly).
Examples of what I consider an artist just going through the motions would include The Big Picture by Elton John, Sur la Mer by The Moody Blues, and Gretchen Goes To Nebraska by King's X.
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Re: Celine Thinks She's Equal To Beatle Paul?
The King's X reference above was just to see if Ed was paying attention. I actually love that album.
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