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Conversations With God
Hi everyone! I'm about 3/4ths of the way through with Conversations with God, the complete 3-book version. In the beginning, everything made sense, nothing I read really challenged me. I was willing to believe that the book could very well have been divinely inspired. But then somewhere mid-stream I started to get doubtful, and wondered if all the readership has been scammed. When God said stuff like "The United States has come closest of all to a perfect government" and "George Bush Sr. was one of the world's greatest leaders" I was alarmed, lol! And it seemed suddenly that the author wasn't asking complex enough questions. His questions seemed basic, then God responds, and then the author is like "Wow! It's so clear to me now!" each..and..every..time. So, now I'm into the 3rd book, and I'm finding myself feeling exhausted and needing a total break from the whole "you manifest your own reality by simply thinking of it" and "you've chosen everything that's ever happened to you" and "you draw to you that which you fear". At this point, I just want to step away from all that The Secret, Wayne Dyer philosophy and just BE. Pretend none of this confusion and mental gymnastics exists. If this stuff was real, why is it so inaccessable, and why aren't the tougher questions it leads to ever asked?
Has anyone else read this book, and what are your thoughts on it?
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Oh! And something else all through the book that has me asking "Really??" is "God's" clever play on words in the English Language. For example the word "present". God explains that we call it the "present" because it's been "pre-sent" to us already, and we just need to remember it by living it. I mean come on!! 
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Ack, one more thing. It also talked about the world once being a Matriarchal, Goddess-based society. Men were viewed as sperm-donors and dumb laborers (which I think is wrong if we women really did that to men). Then Men got fed up and invented a Male Satan to drive fear into the Women, thereby allowing them to take control of Women. Which had led to millenia of Patriarchal societies and male-God/s.
I am guessing this is pre-Judaism, pre-Christianity. Is this Pagan, and is it true that Paganism created the Satan figure (and hell?)
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Whoa...ok, I hadn't heard of these books beforehand. For others like me, I'll give a little background on the information I dug up.
In an interview with Larry King, Walsch described the inception of the books as follows: at a low period in his life, Walsch wrote an angry letter to God asking questions about why his life wasn't working. After writing down all of his questions, he heard a voice over his right shoulder say: "Do you really want an answer to all these questions or are you just venting?"[2] Though when he turned around he saw no one there, Walsch felt answers to his questions filling his mind and decided to write them down. The ensuing dialogue became the Conversations with God books. However, in the interview with King, Walsch freely admitted that he couldn’t be sure that it was God speaking and that the books could have been the product of his own subconscious, but he stated that he truly believed it to be the voice of God speaking to him
Ok, so these books really are written to be one man's tête-à-tête with God.
There are four concepts that are central to the entire dialogue:
1. We are all One.
2. There's Enough.
3. There's Nothing We Have to Do.
4. Ours Is Not A Better Way, Ours Is Merely Another Way.
Ok, so far so good. I read some reviews too. Hard core Christian's say Walsh's God is too much of a loving buddy. We need that harsh Old Testament God to keep us in line! And there were plenty of comments about the "fluid drivel" in which God speaks in!
Skeptics reviews think it's pretty ho-hum boring. Just the same stuff anyone with a good liberal arts degree could figure out on their own.
About the Satan thing. I would say that most, if not all, older pagan religions were polytheistic with gods representing every aspect of things from good to bad. So sure, the "devil" is the creation of old pagan religions. But somehow I don't see it as this highly female centered society suddenly turned on it's head by man creating a devil. What about the hunter-gatherer times when men hunted and women did all the child rearing and gathering? Were men really so scorned that they did all the hard labor and had no power? How come modern "primitive" tribes don't have this kind of structure? Even if a society is matriarchal, it doesn't mean that man was thought of as practically worthless. So I don't buy it. At all.
Well, I have to admit that this book has just topped my "To Read" list...
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To me, a lot of this sounds like hooey. I've not done the research that Texas has, but being a former Christian, I would be very wary of these books, simply because that sure doesn't sound like things "God" would say.
As for Satan, I have to say that it was the church (Christianity) that actually "created" Satan as a means to help control the people. In Paganism, there is a God of the underworld, and he can be a real pain at times, but he is a keeper and guardian, not someone who burns people's souls. All religions have good and evil...there has to be for there to be some kind of balance, so yeah, Paganism does have it's own brand of nastiness, but I don't think that Satan has anything to do with any of it. JMHO.
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Wow, that's neat that I've gotten you curious about this book. I'd say I agree with 80%, and another 15% is stuff I'm willing to consider or believe. That last 5% has me going "hmmmm....not so sure". Which then makes me rethink what I thought I knew in the other 95%. For example, "God" is suggesting that we need a One World Government, and he even called it a New World Order. WTF? As if humans would be able to pull that off without destroying the planet. No way, that would be the largest power-grab the history of the world has ever seen, and many people think that the powers that be are steering us in that direction right now. 
I'm diligently getting though it though. There's a lot that I do really, really like.
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