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rzonmrcury
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A petition to the moderators of this board
"This board is about freedom and a minority standing up for what they believe. "
I believe more than a few of the members of this board will gladly agree that TopfreeMike04 is a very large negative to what used to be a very positive place to post about being topfree. Not only has he overwhelmed the board with his confrontational nature, he has continued to be unyielding to requests by other members on various topics and advocates blatant disregard for the law. I would deeply regret it if any unaware person followed his advice as to how to behave and ended up in jail all because they read his advice on this board. His domination of the board has even resulted in a moderator encouraging members to leave the board, which was once a very happy community within itself. Freedom of speech is all well and good, but something must be said for disturbing the peace - which can result in arrest in the US. Perhaps one will not be arrested for disturbing the peace of an online community, but surely we can ask that the disturbance - or nuisance, whichever you prefer - be removed.
Please, if you agree that the time has come for TopfreeMike04 to be banned, respond appropriately.
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pc44
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
As long as such action is always reserved for on the most serious cases, I agree that Mike's behavior of the past six months has done serious damage to the board. Let us return to the original spirit and purpose of the board, promoting topfreedom and providing a supportive congenial online community.
I too feel that Mike's continued presence is a cancer to the board and that he should be banned.
Paul
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
IMHO, it would be unfair to ban him without first laying out specifically what behavior must stop, and giving him a chance to do so.
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9/8/2008, 8:06 pm
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
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I respectfully disagree with you. This has happened, laying out what the problems are with Mike. He has had many opportunities to change his behavior. This is not a new issue.
Mike is like a Dementor (Harry Potter). He sucks life out of the discussions of the board. This has been going on for way too long. There have been numerous conversations and complaints
If you want a good recent example - go to the section titled General discussion and the post titled "Going Topfree.
I have been a lurker for a long time. Consistently Mike derails fun and delightful conversations with his idealistic moralism. He is very confrontational. According to others, he has been banned from other discussion boards for his immature behavior.
Many of us feel that the moderators have been negligent in properly interpreting rule number 2 under posting. His is disruptive force to the community of this board.
It has gotten past the need for more warnings to him. It is time to ban him.
Mike is disrespectful
he is unable to be thoughtful, he turns joyful conversations to unpleasant conversations
and more
A review of his many posts will reveal a general inability to engage in proper and mature conversation.
Furthermore, Mike has absolutely no experience with being with women as they are topfree, nor does he have experience with being nude in public.
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9/8/2008, 9:45 pm
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rzonmrcury
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
He has been given that chance - see the topic A word about TopfreeMike04 in the General Discussion forum. Here, I'll even provide you a link - A word about TopfreeMike04. Please read closely the last two posts in this topic. Mike is given a choice and agrees to one of the options. For a short period of time after this post, he was tolerable. However, he soon returned to his confrontational, negative, dominating ways.
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9/8/2008, 9:51 pm
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TopfreeMike04
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
Since this post is about me I should probably let people know how I feel about this. I think the real problem here is people dont like change and being confronted with a different point of view. They feel safe in the fact that everyone gets along here for the most part and they agree on just about everything reguarding topfreedom. They dont like it when someone comes here and rocks the boat and gets them to face the tough issues of life. Many people here would like a safe hassle free life inside some topfree community or nudist resort where they can sit on the grass discussing things with their friends and the pink flowers and cute little bunnies singing Imagine all day and not have to deal with the real problem of topfreedom that every other women that lives outside their dream world has to deal with that doesnt have the advantage of living in that bubble like they do. Instead of just staying in the box and hoarding all the happy feelings for themselves and ignoring the problem maybe the people here need to try to make the whole world more like that and confront the problem so everyone can live in a world like that. Anyways thats my rant and I think it pretty much sums things up.
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
In the thread Definitely not the place to be topfree, in General Discussion, luvemfree issued Mike a challenge to avoid using "should"-like words for 20 posts. A couple posts later, I reiterated that challenge.
In the ensuing roughly 12 hours, Mike has made four posts, and appears to have no interest in taking that challenge. A pity. Since he did calm down a few months ago when threatened with being banned, I know he has it in him.
That said, I'll say it again here: To NOT use any of the following words in 20 posts: "should", "would", "someone", "noone", "need to", "someplace", and "supposed to". Add "must" to the list, too.
And if he will not do that, then ban him.
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9/9/2008, 1:18 am
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
I would not support any exclusion measure of user TopfreeMike04.
A forum is not a political meeting where only the members of the same party attend, and all applaud all and every speech.
It's at the contrary a place where varying opinions are expressed, up to totally contradictory.
In the most productive forum meetings, there are people who tend to speak a bit louder than others, and may argue on details, or propose extreme thoughts. This is generally positive for the meeting.
I have never seen Mike being impolite (unless disagreeing with somebody would be seen as offending to him...)
Yes, his interventions may sometimes make people nervous when he comments every sentence in a previous post; but at least he does it clearly with a nice quote of the sentence he is commenting on.
Yes, he may often be extreme in his positions and recommendations; yet he goes in the general direction of the board! (On "clothesfree" - a nudist forum, there is a guy who often contributes using the same method, but always in the direction of limiting nudity, and opposing to any desire of "free nudity" - this is much more difficult to stand).
For sure one can disagree with him, but we are in a forum and he is not taking closing positions!
Some object that he is recommending not obeying the laws. He is not forcing anybody on doing so.
But laws giving freedom have always be obtained by people who challenged the laws, including through disobedience. Think of Ghandi's "civil disobedience", think of workers' strikes... think of topfreedom being allowed in a few US states following invidual court rulings!
I may have a reservation (within the discussions, not around it) that, being a male, he can hardly be the first one in "wild female topfreedom" -- he would gain in credibility if he would claim that he is doing the same way in, say beach nudity outside formally approved areas.
Furhermore, Jane and her "topfree neighborhood" are also pushing the limits and probably violating some law or by-law... and this does not raise shields by tenants of legality. So, I must think that Mike is more getting objected for his tone and method than for what he actually claims.
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
"So, I must think that Mike is more getting objected for his tone and method than for what he actually claims."
RobertLepreux, while i disagree with the main point of your post, i completely agree with this sentence. i have mostly the same beliefs as mike. women should be able to go topfree wherever a man can. but i dont constantly get on this board preaching to the women, telling them to walk the streets topfree and not worry about the consequences. mike is living in a fantasy world.
back when the board was closed to visitors, there were a few changes. i got a pm from a moderator, informing me, among other things, that banning people would be done on a three strikes system. at that time, mike already had two strikes for doing what he is doing now. he has had many warnings, and as rzonmrcury said, he was tolerable for a short time. but he is now back to his old ways. it's time for mike to get that third strike.
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Re: A petition to the moderators of this board
He doesn't bother me since I don't read his posts, they're long and unwieldy. But I notice that where ever he posts, discord soon follows.
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