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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Hi Guys,

I'm thinking of upgrading the factory car alarm to include a motion tilt sensor and an alarm upgrade package which includes:

Knock sensors
Glass breakage
Wheels removal

The above would prevent the exy from being loaded on a trailer and driven away.

The system I just inquired about would have an upgrade alarm kit for our existing remote control and will be activated using the same without the need to carry around yet another remote.

The motion/tilt sensors would automatically remember the last angle the car was parked under and if it senses a change in that angle the alarm will be triggered.

Also, the system uses "black wiring" this means that it'll be difficult to work out which wires to cut to disable this alarm.

Should they decide to cut all of the wires, the alarm will be triggered.

The price I was quoted is $699 supplied and fitted.

My question is:

Has anyone of you had this type of alarm on their previous cars or considered having the same on the exy?

I would also think that insurance companies would give you an incentive (in form of premium reduction) if the car is fitted with such an advanced alarm system.


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Date Registered: 07-2005
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ive had a car with motion sensors and providing its not set to sencetive ( nothing worse than running out to turn your alarm off when ever a truck goes past!) they are very good

i have to say though, unless your car is in earshot, alarms arnt allways that good as most ppl ignore them anyway

a mate of mine locked his keys in his car at a train station and his alarm auto set it self, he was running late so he figured he would get them out when he got back. That afternoon he smashed his window, the alarn went off, he reached around, opened the door found his keys and drove off. All the while peak hour commuters were walking around the car park and no one batted an eyelid!!



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Thanks for the info. Matt,

The guy told me that they can set the sensors to a specific sensitivity to avoid the alarm being triggered when a bird decides to take a walk on the roof of my exy emoticon or when a heavy truck passes-by.

Yes I agree that it they want to take they will, but at least I wont make it easier for them and if they decide to do so in the middle of the night when my exy is parked somewhere, am sure this would raise some eyebrows and people would start coming-out (if am not around).

I'm tossing between this system and the Satellite Tracking one to see which offers best value for money.

The insurance company has confirmed that I may be eligible for a 10% discount off my premium with either of this alarm system fitted.


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Date Registered: 12-2004
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I dare say that the Satellite Tracking option might be the better alternative.

Most car alarms can be dismantled and removed by the thief at their leisure once they have your vehicle in their possession.

The main purpose a Satellite Tracker would be not to give itself away to the thief. This way you’re bound to get your exy back, and the thieves.

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In about 1997 I had a http://www.quiktrak.com.au alarm fitted to my Corolla because I had several thousand dollars worth of stereo gear in it, and no garage to park/hide the car in overnight... I also had a standard alarm (from http://www.automicro.com.au on Princes Hwy @ Kogarah, Sydney) with shock, microwave/motion sensors, plus I'd added a few "personal touches" to it in the way of 3 additional sirens - inside the car.

The corolla was broken into once while parked at Hurstville Westfield, however nothing was stolen (I suspect due to my personal touches) however when I returned to the car, it had both back seats folded forwards, exposing all the stereo gear for all to see. Since no doors were opened to gain entry (smashed the rear quarter glass and wound down the window (no electric windows in a 1985 corolla!) and possibly climbed in through the window. Even if they didn't climb in, as soon as they reached in to pull the back seats forwards, the alarm would've activated due to the motion sensors. I hope for their sake they weren't actually inside the car when the sirens started going off!
 
When I bought my new Pulsar in 1999 I got the quiktrack alarm transferred over and had a new Auto Micro alarm fitted (to which I again added my own personal touches).

The Pulsar never even had an attempted break-in, in the 5 years I owned it (the first two, it was parked in the same spot as the corolla).


One thing I will say against "satellite" tracking systems is that if the car is parked under a tree, or somehow obscured from direct line of sight to the sky (satellites) then it can no longer be tracked (until it enters open space again). So if you have one of these style tracking alarms (I believe the NRMA branded one is), it's worth keeping that fact in mind.

Not saying the quiktrack one is foolproof either - I've heard stories about how to "confuse" it so it can't be tracked (none of which have been proven) but I believe it's range is limited to main cities, so if you're out bush, chances are it's not going to be trackable either.

Finally, there is what is known as "paging" alarms - these have a range of up to around 2kilometres, and they allow 2-way communications between you and your car. They are basically a chunky remote control with a LCD screen with a picture of a car on it, which lights up different segments depending on what sensors have been triggered on the car alarm. They have been available for around 5 years or so now, and I haven't followed the progress of their features for about just as long, but I believe there is also a variation that you can communicate via your mobile phone (the alarm has it's own pre-paid sim card which you can call or SMS, and it responds back to you in a similar manner). The main advantage of these is that they don't have the on-going monitoring fees that the "tracking" alarms have. However, their disadvantage is that they also don't come with the assurance of security-guard dispatch/response that the "tracking" alarms provide. You also need to be within range of the car (unless it's equipped with a sim card, of course - but then you and the car would both need mobile reception).

I do know that certain insurers offer a discount if you use "Brant" brand alarms - which are compliant to some Australian Standard (part of which includes all-black wiring), and they are similar in price to what Jalal previously quoted, from memory. And I know NRMA offer a discount if you use their brand of tracking alarm (they wouldn't give me a discount if I used another brand (quiktrack) last time I enquired - several years ago).

Unfortunately, you can make you car as much as a fortress as you can, but ultimately, if someone wants it enough, they'll get it.


If you want more information on the different types of alarms available these days, I'd recommend checking out the Car Audio Australia website (which I used to be NSW State Rep of) - specifically the alarm forum: http://www.caraudioaustralia.com/forums/index.php?s=5a67be5492a1115a582914b6f1160e55&showforum=76
I'd also recommend getting the alarm professionally installed (I already know Jalal likes finding out the hard way by blowing fuses emoticon ).


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Thanks for your input Richi.

Gives me something to base my research on now and shop around.

And yes, it'll be fitted professionally for sure this time.

I'm running-out of fuses emoticon

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Hi Guys,

NRMA CrimeSafe guide gives a very good rundown on the available and approved by Australian Standards alarm upgrades and their prices.

It also lists cars by their theft popularity.

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Anyone looking for an alarm I had a quote from black widow today ... $470 or $390 without battery backup anyone know how bad/good these are ?

Specs below
QUOTATION TO INSTALL BLACK WIDOW UPGRADE

Vehicle is Nissan XTrail, 2005 Model.

WHAT IS AN OEM UPGRADE?

With Black Widow upgrade systems you get more than just keyless entry. Optional enhancements to the existing factory remote control central locking combine to give maximum protection for your investment.

Benefits Include

    * Operation via original equipment remote key for ease of use retaining keyless entry operation and where applicable engine disable.
    * Audible theft deterrent with optional battery back up feature.
    * Glass breakage sensor specific for the type of protection you require.
    * Extended warranty.
    * Optional connection to existing power windows.
    * Insurance approved features.

 

UPGRADE 1

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    * Protects doors, boot & bonnet Shock sensor
    * Standard siren
    * Flashes indicators
    * Flashing dash-light
    * Automatic reset (30 secs)
    * 3 year warranty
    * Free mobile installation
    * Black wiring

PRICE IS $390

 

UPGRADE 3

    * Protects doors, boot & bonnet
    * Shock sensor
    * Back-up battery siren
    * Flashes indicators
    * Flashing dash-light
    * Automatic reset (30 secs)
    * 3 year warranty
    * Free mobile installation
    * Black wiring

PRICE IS $470

 
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Date Registered: 05-2005
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Guys I deceided to go with the repeller car option dealer arranged installation this alarm is installed as an upgrade by most car dealerships in sydney.


It works ultrasonics and sensors turned down so trucks dont set it off.
Black wired alarm sounds if one or all wires cut etc.

Its good enough for a deterrent, Ive had these alarms in my previous cars ( excluding the missing exy ) and never had a problem, backed by a 2 year warranty and after sales support who come onsite if there is an issue.
Ask for Steve and tell him i sent ya Cost was about $550 94777711.
When I contacted the Nrma they advised that they do not offer discounts on policies unless you have a car on the Hot car stolen list.

I will keep you updated if there are any problems with this baby.
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Date Registered: 10-2005
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 Sorry for rehashing an old topic, but has anyone upgraded their alarm system. Is it possible for the OEM Nissan button to be used for an aftermarket alarm, or is it better to chuck the Nissan one and just use an aftermarket brand. I don't want an additional alarm buttom on my keyring. Thanks.

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