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Date Registered: 02-2009
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Hi Guys,

I have been informed by someone that there are a lot of questions in regards to LPG and JTG Liquid Injection un answered on this forum. I am the Engineering Manager of Australian LPG Warehouse. We are the Sole Australian Agents of Eurogas of Holland and Icom (Manufacturers of JTG Liquid Injection).

We develop vehicle specific kits for vehicles in the Australian market. As you know we have a new product in our range called Liquid Injection. We are the only company with this state of the art technology currently in the Australian Market. It however has been in use in Europe for over 5 years with great results. We have also been conducting Durability testing on the product in Australia for over 2 years with excellent results. This has been conducted on taxi vehicles which clock up Kms at a great rate of knots. We have systems that have traveled close to 300,000kms without even touching the system. This type of durability and reliability of LPG systems is unheard of in the taxi industry.

This system has huge gains over traditional “Vapour Injection” systems of which we still sell (Eurogas). You achieve a large power gain over petrol, economy is 10-15% better than any other LPG system on the market, and far less prone to contamination issues. In traditional “Vapour Injection” systems, plasticizers and other contaminants separate from the LPG when it converts from a liquid to a vapour. In their case this is in the regulator/vaporizer. These contaminants eat into the diaphragm of the regulator and also foul the vapour injectors.

In our JTG Liquid Injection, the LPG is injected directly into the manifold as a liquid. The change from liquid to vapour is done as it enters the combustion chamber. Any contaminants that separate from the fuel are combusted and don’t affect anything. Another advantage of vaporizing in the inlet of the engine instead of the regulator is its freezing affect. This affect of vaporizing dramatically cools the incoming air stream to provide a more dense charge of air and fuel entering the combustion chamber.
More on this system can be found on our website here

Another topic I have read is issues of LPG performance on X-Trails and Warranty. We have many X-Trail LPG systems in the market and had no issues at all with engine durability. This due to extensive calibration and testing of the system. Some vehicles do have materials in the cylinder head that do not cope well with LPG but X-Trail is fine. If there was an issue with these vehicles, we would not develop a kit for them.
New vehicle warranty is also not affected by instillation of LPG even though dealers would like to think so. The only item they can legally not cover is one directly caused by the LPG system. And as stated previously we have never had an engine failure on any X-Trail or any other vehicle make or model using our LPG systems.
If this is still of concern to anyone, they can also purchase engine warranty insurance for LPG systems for as little as $150 through their installer.

If there is any information anyone requires on LPG on X-Trails just post it here and I will endeavor to reply to them as soon as I can.

Regards,

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Date Registered: 02-2008
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I have one question in mind and not really up to speed with LPG but if fitted do we have that bulky cylinder that takes up so much room?

How does all the connections and such handle the extremes of getting mud,dirt and water thrown on them and also are they able to take the roughness of the off road?

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Hi Ben,

Very glad to have you onboard with us and willing to share information about the Liquid LPG system for the Xtrail.

I have been discussing this system with Kirt at Australian LP Gas Conversions in Woollongong since before Christmas and waiting patiently for it to be developed and tested for release.

Since the cost of petrol has decreased a little recently, I am wondering if the economics of the conversion still make it viable. Could you please update us on the current installed system cost and what rebates are available ?

Also, are there any other options for the tank besides the donut tank fitted into the spare wheel well or is there a spare wheel carrier for fitting onto a towbar which you could recommend ? As the Xtrail can often go offroad, carrying a full spare wheel with offroad rubber is something most of us would require with the LPG system fitted.

I am sure other questions will come to mind over the next few weeks as I start thinking again about getting the conversion done.

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Kev,

I have agreed with Peter that no costs and/or prices are to be discussed in this thread to avoid making it look like commercial advertising as we have set forum rules in this regard.

Peter and Ben will provide and answer all your technical questions about the LPG system but they have a special pricing structure and forum discounts in mind which they'll be sending me for review and approval and this information will be posted in the discounts section of the forum with contact details and ways to claim such discounts.

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hi guys,

Forum response was a way to communicate with you guys as a result of the daily calls i get regarding the liquid system and the forum gets upfront information of the system, not as a marketing tool. So pressure does work.

Ben is head of our geeky tech department and i thought he could provide the answers to questions far better than i. But we already have a large number of vehicles on the road with vapour injection. the liquid system has shown fantastic result in other vehicles in regard
to performance and economy.

check out this weekends newspapers for more info.

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Peter and Ben,

Has the new injection system been fitted and tested with the xtrail specifically and if so, can you share the results with us?

Also, are there any plans to have this system available for both xtrail models the T30 and T31 and if so, what are the differences between the 2 systems for the 2 different xtrail models?

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Hi freewill & Revhead,

At the present time we do not offer another tank option on the X-Trail. There is minimal room under the vehicle for a cylinder. We can place one under the rear but the large rear muffler would have to be removed and you would also have a reduced rear ground clearance. Another option could possibly be a cylinder in the rear but then you would lose a lot of rear cargo area.

If carrying a spare wheel is important, we do have a supplier that makes spare wheel holders for X-Trail. They are very similar to the Landcruiser rear mount wheel holders. They swing around to open the rear. They are however at an additional cost.... In all of our X-Trail kits we provide a product called Slime. This is a great puncture repair kit and more can be found on that here. Slime

The system is fine for off road use. Mud and water will not affect it. Treat it as you would with your petrol system.

Revhead, you will be well looked after with Kurt at Australian LPG Conversions. He is a very good installer. Now is still a great time to convert. With petrol prices falling, so does LPG. It is usually proportional. You will still more than half your fuel bill. If you’re spending $100 per week, expect your bill to be less than $50.

We cannot discuss pricing on this forum but you will receive your $2000 Government rebate with any new vehicle or second hand vehicle conversion. Some states also offer additional funding on top of your $2000. If you want more info on pricing just call an installer from our website.

Let me know if I have missed anything.

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The JTG System has been specifically developed for and tested on X-Trail. We however have not conducted official consumption figures on X-Trail. What results would you like?

We have only developed the Kit for T30 to date. However we will be developing a kit for the T31 very soon. If there is anyone who would like their T31 converted in our area, we develop the kit for them for a discount. (You may be able to also discuss this with jalalski the administrator).

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Thanks Ben,

The results I am most interested in seeing is the claimed 10-15% economy gains and the power gains you mentioned over petrol. Was the LPG converted xtrail put on a dyno to determine the power gains?

Also, is the LPG conversion system you're planning to develop for the T31 would cover both petrol and diesel engines or just petrol? I don't see why one with a diesel xtrail would want to convert to LPG, but am sure there will be owners who would think of doing it as well.

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Date Registered: 02-2009
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ben,
when things quieten down later next week can we post the Dyno results with an explanation
as to what the gobblygook shows.



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